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Do NOT read this unless you want to vomit violently!

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Posted by: MonsterMark

The new Democrat slogan for the 2006 elections...DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO.
Lefties have absolutely no shame. Unbelieveable stuff. Simply unbelieveable.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I bolded a couple of my favorite lines.

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
Tue Mar 28, 8:44 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Congressional Democrats promise to "eliminate" Osama bin Laden and ensure a "responsible redeployment of U.S. forces" from Iraq in 2006 in an election-year national security policy statement.

In the position paper to be announced Wednesday, Democrats say they will double the number of special forces and add more spies, which they suggest will increase the chances of finding al-Qaida's elusive leader. They do not set a deadline for when all of the 132,000 American troops now in Iraq should be withdrawn.

"We're uniting behind a national security agenda that is tough and smart and will provide the real security George Bush has promised but failed to deliver," Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said in remarks prepared for delivery Wednesday.

His counterpart in the House, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., said the Democrats are offering a new direction — "one that is strong and smart, which understands the challenges America faces in a post 9/11 world, and one that demonstrates that Democrats are the party of real national security." LMAO!!!!!!!

The latest in a series of party policy statements for 2006, the Democrats' national security platform comes seven months before voters decide who will control the House and Senate and as Democrats seek to cut into the public perception that the Republicans are stronger on national security.

Bush's job approval ratings are in the mid- to high-30s, and Democrats consistently have about a 10-point lead over Republicans when people are asked who they want to see in control of Congress.

With the public skeptical of the Iraq war and Republicans and Democrats alike questioning Bush's war policies, Democrats aim to force Republicans to distance themselves from Bush on Iraq and national security or rubber-stamp what Democrats contend is a failed policy.

"The Democrats are going to take back the security issue," said Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

Republicans have vowed not to let that happen. They characterized the Democrats' platform as tough election-year talk that isn't backed up by the party's record.

"This is more of the same from the party that opposes this president's effort to keep our country safe," said Tracey Schmitt, a Republican National Committee spokeswoman. "The bottom line is while this president campaigns against the terrorists, Democrats remain focused on campaigning against this president."

Overall, the Democratic position paper attempts to make the case that the Bush administration's "inadequate planning and incompetent policies have failed to make Americas as safe as we should be."

It covers party policy positions on homeland security, the war on terror, the military, Iraq and energy security, but it contains many of the same proposals Democrats have offered over the past year.

The platform also lacks specific details of how Democrats plan to capture bin Laden, the al-Qaida mastermind who has evaded U.S. forces in the more than four years since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Sounds familiar. Can you say John Kerry?

For months, House and Senate Democrats have tried to craft a comprehensive position on national security, but they have splintered, primarily over Iraq.

Republicans have sought to use that division to their own political advantage, claiming that Democrats simply attack the president and his fellow Republicans without presenting proposals of their own.

Posted by: fossten

Boy, I'm glad I didn't listen to your warning - I didn't vomit violently, I laughed violently.

Still laughing, tears, etc...

Posted by: eL eS

Well you tried to warn me.

I guess it wasn't good enough for the party to have one tremendous flip flopper. This is like watching a highly disciplined precison demonstration team donkies.

What's up MM!

Oh amost forgot... donkies are neither precise nor disciplined.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

The platform also lacks specific details of how Democrats plan to capture bin Laden, the al-Qaida mastermind who has evaded U.S. forces in the more than four years since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.Sounds familiar. Can you say John Kerry?

Sounds like the Democrats have something in common with the Bush admin... How long has it been since Bush pledged Osama would be captured and or killed?

Posted by: barry2952

Don't you remember. GWB said Osama is not worth our time to chase anymore. He's been rendered irrelevant. Right.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by eL eS

What's up MM!

Not much. Busy as all get-out. Good to hear you're still alive.

It just blows my mind that the Left has no conscience and no moral grounding. They can just flip it on and off. They can lie like they are somehow telling the truth. They always run to the center or even right of center to get elected and then show their true colors after getting into office.

The media will trumpet these clowns and the new news is that Democrats have always been the ones stronger on security. Everybody on the planet knows it is NOT true but the media will do nothing about it. And why are they now making this claim. Because they are liars and need to lie to get elected back into power.

I feel sorry that half of America chooses to live their lives like slithering snakes.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Don't you remember. GWB said Osama is not worth our time to chase anymore. He's been rendered irrelevant. Right.

If he said that, then he's done a 180*, as of March 1st 2006 he said...

"I am confident he will be brought to justice," Bush said. "We've got U.S. forces on the hunt for not only bin Laden but anybody who plots and plans with bin Laden. There are Afghan forces on the hunt. … We've got Pakistan forces on the hunt."

Flip-Flopping like Kerry.

Source of quote:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=1674135

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Don't you remember. GWB said Osama is not worth our time to chase anymore. He's been rendered irrelevant. Right.

I'd like to see your source, Barry.

(cue Jeopardy music)

Posted by: barry2952

You're right David, It wasn't GWB, it was your buddy Rush that declared Osama irrelevant. I get the two of them confused.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

If he said that, then he's done a 180*, as of March 1st 2006 he said...

"I am confident he will be brought to justice," Bush said. "We've got U.S. forces on the hunt for not only bin Laden but anybody who plots and plans with bin Laden. There are Afghan forces on the hunt. … We've got Pakistan forces on the hunt."

Flip-Flopping like Kerry.

Source of quote:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=1674135

And now barry has nullified your post.

You guys are just like your idols the media: Report lies as truth, expecting no one to call you on it.

Just remember, big brother is watching you.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

And now barry has nullified your post.

You guys are just like your idols the media: Report lies as truth, expecting no one to call you on it.

Just remember, big brother is watching you.

That's why I started my response to Barry with "If he said..." So calling me a liar is uncalled for.

I don't think Barry lied though, was a simple mistake of confusing what Bush said with Rush, Orwell.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

That's why I started my response to Barry with "If he said..."

I don't think he lied though, was a simple mistake of confusing what Bush said with Rush, Orwell.

Ah, but you ENDED your post with an assertion based upon the assumption that your IF statement was, in fact, true.

At least you admit that the last, best hope for the Democratic party was a flip-flopper.

Nice try, but no cigar, grasshopper.

By the way, if you believe his flimsy excuse that it was an honest mistake, I've got some swampland in Florida to sell you.

barry, I'd also like to see your source on the Rush comment, if you can produce it.

Posted by: barry2952

Do your own research.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Ah, but you ENDED your post with an assertion based upon the assumption that your IF statement was, in fact, true.

And your point is? The 'IF' at the beginning of the statement would mean that anything said hence forth would not be indisputable facts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

At least you admit that the last, best hope for the Democratic party was a flip-flopper.

2008 is closing in...

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Nice try, but no cigar, grasshopper.

I didn't actually expect an apology from you...

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

By the way, if you believe his flimsy excuse that it was an honest mistake, I've got some swampland in Florida to sell you.

I do not believe he would knowingly lie in here, so I do believe him.

Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

And your point is? The 'IF' at the beginning of the statement would mean that anything said hence forth would not be indisputable facts.

2008 is closing in...

I didn't actually expect an apology from you...

I do not believe he would knowingly lie in here, so I do believe him.

barry, I'd also like to see your source on the Rush comment, if you can produce it.

Barry, be sure to put an 'owned', if you're able/willing to source it.[/quote]

Why would I stoop to their childish level and use "owned"?

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Do your own research.

Hey everybody! Don't look now, but it's Mary Mapes, a.k.a. barry2952!

"I can say anything without backing it up, and it's assumed true unless and until you prove me wrong."

What a cowardly response that was, barry.

COWARDLY.

Posted by: barry2952

Still an A$$HOLE, I see.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Still an A$$HOLE, I see.

Still a gutless coward, we all see.

Dang, font size 7 is as high as I can go?

(Is that a pic of barry in my avatar?)

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Barry, be sure to put an 'owned', if you're able/willing to source it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Why would I stoop to their childish level and use "owned"?

Ya, I went back and deleted out that part, but not before you had quoted me.

Posted by: TheDude

"A woman named Angelica asks Rush a simple question on today's Oxycontin Cow show. If our government is so sophisticated and intelligent, why is Osama still on the lose." Seems like a pretty straight forward question doesn't it? Then he takes that simple question, twists it so that the question morphs into something illogical and seemingly disconnected from reality - in order for his answer to make a ferret dropping's worth of sense."

Audio file of saying of Rush saying "it is irrelevant wether we capture Bin Laden in terms of which party leads the way on national security." (4 min 44 seconds into audio file) he then goes on further explaining why it's irrelevant... He did bring up that we never captured Hitler, I found that funny since the RW's in here have used that same line in here before.

Bottom line, Rush did say Osama is irrelevant. Point to Barry...

Source:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/01.html

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/rush-osama.mp3

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

"A woman named Angelica asks Rush a simple question on today's Oxycontin Cow show. If our government is so sophisticated and intelligent, why is Osama still on the lose." Seems like a pretty straight forward question doesn't it? Then he takes that simple question, twists it so that the question morphs into something illogical and seemingly disconnected from reality - in order for his answer to make a ferret dropping's worth of sense."

Audio file of saying of Rush saying "it is irrelevant wether we capture Bin Laden in terms of which party leads the way on national security." (4 min 44 seconds into audio file) he then goes on further explaining why it's irrelevant... He did bring up that we never captured Hitler, I found that funny since the RWW's in here have used that same line in here before. Bottom line, Rush did say Osama is irrelevant. Point to Barry...

Source:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/01.html

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/rush-osama.mp3

I knew he said it, because I heard him say it on the radio. You will recall that you and I had a discussion about it a while back.

Nevertheless, barry needs to learn that it is his job to back up his own statements, especially when he is known to make rash ones from time to time.

Point to you, not barry. Good work.

Posted by: JohnnyBz00LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

I'd like to see your source, Barry.

(cue Jeopardy music)

The BuSh quote Barry was referring to is this:

Quote:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." — GW Bush 3/13/02

He repeated the same sentiment during the 2004 debates w/ Kerry.

So I guess you'll be eating these words?

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

And now barry has nullified your post.

You guys are just like your idols the media: Report lies as truth, expecting no one to call you on it.

Don't worry, no one is holding their breath.

Posted by: barry2952

I don't think that David, from his previous posts, is man enough to admit he's wrong. He'll use his typical diversionary tactics and somehow blame everything on Clinton.

BTW, David. I told you to do your own research just as Bryan tod me to do mine when I asked about the National Debt. His words were the same as mine. Look it up yourself. Bryan must be a coward too, by your logic.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." — GW Bush 3/13/02

Quote:
"I am confident he will be brought to justice," Bush said. "We've got U.S. forces on the hunt for not only bin Laden but anybody who plots and plans with bin Laden. There are Afghan forces on the hunt. … We've got Pakistan forces on the hunt." GW Bush 3/1/06

So he is a Flip-Flopper?

Posted by: fossten

Quote: "I know that I'm a big left-wing wacko hater ignoramus, but I can't help it. That's how I was raised." - Johnny, 3/30/06

See, I can put quotes in there too. I don't have a source of course, so there's no proof that Johnny actually said that.

If Bush did in fact say that, then so be it. So far, nobody has actually cited a source, which is in fact what I asked for in the first place. You will recall that barry actually corrected himself, which effectively nullified Deville's post.

The fact that you found the quote on google somewhere doesn't prove me wrong, as I never ASSERTED that Bush NEVER said that. I did use the word "lies" in a general sense, but only to provide context.

Nice try.

Question is, are you man enough to admit you're all wrong about what I said?

Doubtful. Doesn't matter, the thread is there as evidence. I encourage you all to search it vainly.

Barry, if you will link the bryan quote, so I can be sure you didn't take him out of context, I will be glad to look at it and then answer your question. I will not debate claims without evidence.

Posted by: barry2952

In the words of Bryan, "Do your own search".

Posted by: barry2952

Nice try David. I didn't use quotes. I simply made a statement.

Wiggle-wiggle.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Nice try David. I didn't use quotes. I simply made a statement.

Wiggle-wiggle.

I said "look it up yourself".

Here's the link to the infamous Bryan quote that is so disputed...

Sheezzzz!

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Nice try David. I didn't use quotes. I simply made a statement.

Wiggle-wiggle.

Sigh. I wasn't TALKING TO YOU. I was referring to Johnny and Deville. Read posts 22 and 24.

It's not all about you.

Sheesh. Whattabrain.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I said "look it up yourself".

Here's the link to the infamous Bryan quote that is so disputed...

Sheezzzz!

Ah, so once again, barry, you try to compare apples and oranges. When bryan told you to look it up yourself, you were quizzing him for information out of curiosity. In this most recent case, I was simply responding like you have been known to do, and requiring you to back up your own assertion with a source.

Big difference. You lose again.

Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Owned? What a child. Re-read you post. If you can.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Quote: "I know that I'm a big left-wing wacko hater ignoramus, but I can't help it. That's how I was raised." - Johnny, 3/30/06

See, I can put quotes in there too. I don't have a source of course, so there's no proof that Johnny actually said that.

You're right, he didn't source it and I took him at his word as I do anyone. I did some research and I found page after page of that quote or similar but none from a solid source. I did find this though.

Source: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
White House press conference, March 13, 2002:

Talking about Osama bin Laden.

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all. So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I — I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

So I will take back the 'Flip-Flopper' comment because marginalizing Osama is not a flip-flop but a change in direction as the war progresses. Personally, I think it is a terrible mistake to do so and Bush will be eating those words if Osama pulls off another attack.

Though I couldn't find it, I distinctly remember Bush saying that Osama bin Laden and all those responsible would be brought to justice when he addressed the nation shortly after 9/11

Posted by: fossten

Fair enough, Deville, and thank you for acting with integrity. I admit that there are days when I don't really care whether or not we catch Osama or not, and there are days when I do. It's certainly possible that Bush was caught having one of those days. He is human, after all.

Personally, I think bin Laden's dead anyway, based on the story from Curt Weldon. When was the last time we had a video?

Keep in mind that we are still fighting and tracking Al Qaeda. Osama is only the named leader of the organization, and if he's alive, it makes no difference, we are still targeting the organization. If he's dead, it's the same story. Don't confuse Bush's marginalization of Osama 'the man' with a relaxation on the war on terror.

http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/print...243.shtml?s=lh

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Owned? What a child. Re-read you post. If you can.

Wow! One of your best and most informative posts!

The guy is studying to be a lawyer and all you can do is post some "child"-like comments and question if he can read? Deeper and deeper into the abyss we sink.

Whatever happened to real, probative, thinking and communicating?

Posted by: barry2952

It went right out the window right about here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Posted by: MAllen82

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Still an A$$HOLE, I see.

And this had nothing to do with it Big B?

He actually made a point, in the fossten kind of way. What were you doing?

Posted by: barry2952

My post was in response to his. That what the numbers are for. You should have been able to figure that out.