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Hate for the Military

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Posted by: Calabrio

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It was a grand scene in DUmmieland (democratunderground.com). A Marine veteran of Iraq returned home and began posting his observations for the DUmmies. Surely this vet would VALIDATE the leftwing worldview of the DUmmies, right? Well, things didn't quite work out as the DUmmies expected as you can see in this THREAD titled, "I just got home from Iraq...." So let us now watch this drama unfold in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, watching the DUmmie expectations being shattered yet again against the rocks of reality:

I just got home from Iraq....

As some may recall, I was mobilized and sent to Iraq (Fallujah and West Anbar) for the past 8 months. It was interesting, to say the least.

I served as an advisor to an Iraqi Army Battlaion, as both the infantry advisor and an intelligence advisor.

Does anyone have any questions about my tour/what it's like/etc.?

I just got home on Friday. (saw my 7 month old son for the first time).

First of all thank you for going over there. Second, do you know if it's true that now there are none Iraq troops ready? I heard this on Stephanie Miller's show earlier. Did you find out any of the other troopers, Iraqi or American, feelings about everything going on now?

It's not true.

I'd say that about half of the Iraqi Battalions are ready to operate independently. Our Battalion (as did many other) had its own battlespace in Fallujah. They were very successful. With less support and assets, they managed to capture more "bad guys" than any of the Marine units of equal size (Companies).
They lack competent logistical support from higher, though. Much of that is due to corruption in the higher ranks of the Iraqi Army/MOD. The attitude of the Iraqi army towards the current clashes, is pretty much "it's about time". They've sat back and absorbed so much Sunni perpetrated violence, that they are now just hitting back. Most of the so called "sectarian violence" has been one sided; coming from the Sunnis.

A new Zogby International poll has 72% of the troops wanting out by year's end. 29% want immediate withdrawal. In your time there, did you get a sense as to whether or not these numbers are accurate?

I just wanted to say that my husband tells me many of the same things. He has met a lot of Iraqis while he has been in Fallujah and he says they are all pretty supportive of our guys who are there. I don't know if he has had a lot of contact with Iraqi military forces though, I think he meets mostly civilians.
I still don't approve of the war, and the death that it has caused, but sometimes I do believe that the press overblows the negatives. I don't know how I feel about that--part of me doesn't care because I want the war to end and whatever turns public opinion is okay, but mostly I'm just sick of the press sucking at its job.
When the war started, they covered it through rose-colored lenses, and now that some aspects are a little better, they're saying that it is worse... I don't know...

What unit were you with? How do you know the disposition of the Iraqi Army? Do you speak arabic?

I was with one of the Marine MiTT units. (under RCT8)
Iraqi, I was with the 2nd Bn, 2nd Bde of the 1st Iraqi IIF division.

How were you able to know the "attitude" of the Iraqi army?
If you don't speak arabic. Also, how were you aware of any corruption? Did you witness this corruption? Or did you "hear" about it in briefings and intelligence reports? In the form of what? Theft? Did you witness any atrocities perpetrated by U.S. contractors like MPRI, Dyncorp or Blackwater?

I speak enough. Plus I had 'terps.
You try going on a couple hundred combat patrols with the Iraqis. You learn their attitude pretty fast. The corruption is apparent in that there are "no show jobs". Ghost Iraqis. Their pay arrives in a giant sack. They have no electronic banking.
If this was so in the US, it would occur there, too. As far as "atrocities" committed by the contractors, no. Those guys are glorified security guards with very little contact with the populace. If they were to try to detain someone, they'd be hammered for it. They didn't have the ass to come into our AO. -too dangerous.

So things are going swimmingly in Iraq? And you have seen no evidence of an impending civil war? Just curious... why are you propagandizing this information on DU? To the conservative f*ck wads that are lurking here. First off let me say you are all cowards. Michelle Malkin is a racist bitch. Rush is a coward who did not serve in the military neither did that limp-dicked Sean Hannity. You people are the most pathetic excuses for human beings and you will have your day to answer for the atrocities and lies that you have perpetrated. You are all cowards. The entire planet despises your disgusting ilk and you will pay. I understand that as most of your parents were indeed siblings your inability to be decent human beings who contribute to society rests in your defective genes. Now you may return to your hate and racism. I once had a "Bad Cat" who would not behave. I put him down because he was diseased and I didn't give it a second thought. You inbred sacks of

, return to your basements or holes or wherever you crawled from.

Because He's Still in the Military He can't talk until he's out, at which point maybe he'll talk about torture, civilian killing, chemical weapons use, looting, corruption, imperialism, bigotry, abuse, intimidation, snipers, urban warfare, propaganda, etc... It ain't going to happen now, he'd be court-martialed. My only question is why'd he join in the 1st place? Was he aware of the illegitamacy of this fake war when he joined? Of course, that can't be answered either.

People are actually paying bribes to get in the army.

Welcome back, but forgive me if I don't take your experience as definitive.

I would consider all of the violence our troops have inflicted on the Iraqis as provocation enough, especially when coupled with the military support and assistance we are giving the new authority's regime. How do you, as an American, judge and distinguish between the warring groups? Do you support the the new regime because there have been elections, or is there something fundamentally correct about them that they deserve your support? Is any resistance to the new authority justified? Why do you feel Americans should be the ones to sort all of that out, fighting, killing, and dying for the ruling authority, one 'sect' of a disparate population of sects and factions?

So how are the troops general moral? and a recent poll taken of the troops suggested that a majority feel they should get out of Iraq
in a year or less- Do you find this poll has credence?

Moral is high. At least amongst those of us who were out there in the midst of things.

I only have one question about Iraq should would we stay or should we go?

Stay for now. -my humble opinion. Leave when the Brigades can operate on their own. If we leave now, there will be a bloodbath.
NOT a "civil war". But a brutal attempt to destroy the insurgency.

Next question are Brigades fighting for there democracy or just picking up a pay check. I guess what I am saying is training them a waste of time and money. Do you know what the real count of Iraqis trained.

Everyone serves for a reason... some the cash, some the ideal.

The ideal? What I would like to know is will the ideal protect the rights of Assyrian and other Christians (and Jews) that they had under Saddam Hussein? Will the ideal protect the Kurds right to self-determination?
Will the ideal prohibit torture and the death penalty, or will the Brigades stand by while the insurgency is "brutally crushed" when we are gone? Will the Shiites refrain from attacking the US if we decide to stay once the insurgeny has been brutally crushed by a victorious, Iran-aligned, right wing Shiite regime? That guy in the seersucker suit who ran against Jaafari, described as the "Secularist" leader of Al-Hakim's Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq -- is he (the slimy looking three-piece-suit "secularist" who ran against Jaafari) as "CIA" as he looks to my non-discerning eyes? Don't worry if you can't answer some of these questions to my satisfaction.

Also, how close is Iraq to an all out civil war? Does anyone over there like Bush? What is the average US sentiment about Bush? OMG, there's so much more but that will do for now to give us a beginning picture of what the real situation is.

you have been deceived

And you know this...because you have been let in the the secret? You must feel very special.

you are making yourself look stupid - learn the truth of DU poisoning

Either someone is lying to you, or you aren't getting the whole story..

No one's lying to me. No one has mentioned it at all.
We check the box if we've been exposed, no, if we have not. Period.
Grunts don't encounter it, because we don't use it. There haven't been many Anti Tank rounds fired since the push.

No Questions You Could Answer without getting into a whole shtload of trouble here in this "free country". When you are out of the military, come back and talk then.

I can answer all questions. I just might not give you the answers you are looking for. My view over there was pretty mypoic. I was in Fallujah, and elsewhere in Anbar. I found Fallujah to be a very interesting city. Now that I'm home, I'm going to study the ancient history. It did not "suck beyond belief". It was dangerous. I saw unpleasant things. But I also saw inspiring acts. Lives saved. The little girls are the cutest, brightest things on this planet. Their future in that Wahabi Town is not promising, though.

Are 85% of the troops in Iraq either that stupid or brainwashed?

Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay “as long as they are needed”
While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown. Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation. Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment. An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and nearly one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

Did you see burned civilians? From the white phosphorus that was used? IIRC, some Italians did a documentary on this a few months ago and it was horrible.

No. Not in Fallujah. I've never heard of WP being used too extensively, except to mark targets.

Why is your profile disabled? I don't know why but I'm a bit suspicious about all this.

What are the troops feelings about President Bush?
Sorry to break up this lovefest. What are your feelings about Bush? Have you witnessed any atrocities perpetrated by American soldiers? Are there any atrocities being perpetrated by American soldiers?

Locking. This member is no longer able to respond to replies.

[Locking. This Marine is no longer able to respond to DUmmie diatribes due to being Tombstoned for telling the TRUTH.]

Posted by: Calabrio

The Democrat Underground folks were waiting to be updated by these "soldiers":

Posted by: Calabrio

This needs to be isolated:

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So things are going swimmingly in Iraq? And you have seen no evidence of an impending civil war? Just curious... why are you propagandizing this information on DU? To the conservative f*ck wads that are lurking here. First off let me say you are all cowards. Michelle Malkin is a racist bitch. Rush is a coward who did not serve in the military neither did that limp-dicked Sean Hannity. You people are the most pathetic excuses for human beings and you will have your day to answer for the atrocities and lies that you have perpetrated. You are all cowards. The entire planet despises your disgusting ilk and you will pay. I understand that as most of your parents were indeed siblings your inability to be decent human beings who contribute to society rests in your defective genes. Now you may return to your hate and racism. I once had a "Bad Cat" who would not behave. I put him down because he was diseased and I didn't give it a second thought. You inbred sacks of , return to your basements or holes or wherever you crawled from.

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Because He's Still in the Military He can't talk until he's out, at which point maybe he'll talk about torture, civilian killing, chemical weapons use, looting, corruption, imperialism, bigotry, abuse, intimidation, snipers, urban warfare, propaganda, etc... It ain't going to happen now, he'd be court-martialed. My only question is why'd he join in the 1st place? Was he aware of the illegitamacy of this fake war when he joined? Of course, that can't be answered either.

Posted by: Marine

Wow, who is this guy? I agree with the Marine he was talking to, I was in Fallujah, among the civilians. I'm just floored by the opinion of this leftist.

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by Marine

Wow, who is this guy? I agree with the Marine he was talking to, I was in Fallujah, among the civilians. I'm just floored by the opinion of this leftist.

All of the isolated blue text are the various Democrat Underground members who commented in the thread.

www.democratunderground.com
Take a look around there if you'd like to better understand the liberal base of the party.