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ICE Box

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Posted by: meangy9

Any luck with the LMS ice boxes yet? Have they come in? I really want one and been waiting for a WHILE. If not anywhere else that I can get one. THANKS

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I made my own, its sweet. Completely sealed from the engine compartment, double walled aluminum. I even extended it past the mass air to help it stay cool. Made a huge difference on power consistency.

Posted by: meangy9

was it a pain in the ass to make? And where'd you get the double walled aluminum? I thought about this before and figured I'd just order it from LMS. But now I'm really thinking of doing what you did. Thanks man

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I was going to get his too, I figured it would be hard to make one for less. After a while of waiting I decided to do my own. The aluminum isn't double walled, I made it double walled. I spent almost what he charges in materials, the final result is better looking and performs incredible.

Posted by: Dern Humpus

have any pics of yours?`

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Give me a few minutes.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Here they are. I believe it was 20 gauge, alittle flimsy I thought at first, thats kinda why I started to think double wall, then the obvious heat protection benefits, it works terrific. There's a 1" gap between the two walls. I used the same gasket material you see on top along all edges, so where it meets the body etc., its air tight. The fit was so good I could of skipped it. It also fits the hood insulation tight, the gasket was just a nice finishing touch I guess. I also designed it so it mounts to the same bolt locations as the stock box with simple L-brackets, you could go back to stock. Bolt are all stainless, washers too and I used stainless lock nuts. You can drive the car as long as you want in hottest of weather, pull over, pop the hood, put one hand on one side one on the other and the filter side is super cold compared to the other, its that dramatic. Let the car sit running or not it takes a long time for the heat to transfer throu. Even then if you jump in again and drive around, pull over and its cool again. I did it several times, it always cools down. Power is always there, always cold air to breath.

Posted by: meangy9

that definately looks really nice. Good job! I probly wouldn't be able to make mine as nice....but Now I might try. How did you cut the circle in the middle for the tube to connect to the intake

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Just a tin snips. What do you think its worth? It was pretty easy for me to do.

Posted by: meangy9

Well, I Was Hoping To Spend Around $50 For The Lms One. But Since They Most Likely Don't Have It In I Might Have To Spend A Few Extra Bucks. Just Name A Price....if You're Considering Making Another. Thanks, I Didn't Really Expect Any Response From Anyone.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I spent way more on materials than I needed too. If I bought the material in sheet form and the fasteners alittle more in bulk, I could probably make it worth it. I wonder how many need them?

Posted by: meangy9

you should start a post and see if other people are interested in buying from you. good way to make some $$$. If not then hopefully LMS will have them soon. Thanks and good luck if you post it!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Hmmm. Don't like to poop in other peoples yard.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Hmmm. Don't like to poop in other peoples yard.

Exactly! Ill be calling my metal guy tomorrow.

Posted by: Dominus

Let us know. I want to go cone filter, but not until I can get a cold air box.

Posted by: my95mark8

Nice job....looks really good.
How do these cars perform with the cone filter? I bet they sound better.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

Exactly! Ill be calling my metal guy tomorrow.

I had called you for one originally. Just deciced to get creative my self.

The car really screams.

Posted by: mespock

That does look nice... You could always sell a few here and or post them on eBay.... I bet they would sell good for you...

Posted by: Lugi20

I've been trying to get one for a long time now!!! I would like to buy one, from anyone because ultimately its my car and its performance I care about, not where it comes from. I too sought one of those out for a long time but as much as I like to get things from Geno, ultimately I mostly just like to get them.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

Exactly! Ill be calling my metal guy tomorrow.

Nothing like a little competition to curb vendor complacency.

Posted by: John M

I've been looking to buy one of these for while now. Maybe now we can get some built up...

Posted by: meangy9

count me in if it happens.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Nothing like a little competition to curb vendor complacency.

How is this Vendor complacency? Do I have control over the Guy who makes these for me?
Get a grip.

I tell you people what he tells me ? Thats all I can do, so do not make it look like I just sit back and do nothing about this and YES I have tried other vendors to do the manufacturing and of course once again since its such SMALL numbers none of them even want to bother with it and I cannot blame them. My guy is HEAVY into Military contracts and they HAVE to come first and he does these as a favor so thats all I can tell you Guys.

Posted by: 98LSC32V

Geno once you get some more in, I would like to purchase an Icebox myself.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Hmmm.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

Geno,

Thanks for setting me straight. I certainly meant no offense.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Geno,

Thanks for setting me straight. I certainly meant no offense.

Its cool Chris, at least the info is out there again for all to know hopefully understand.

Posted by: mespock

Geno, Maybe you can get 02LSE96LSC91SE84TCto make some for LMS. If you are having troubles getting your guys to build them due to lack of quantity.

Here we have someone who can make them for us, and maybe have a product that we could buy now and not have to wait until it meets someone else schedule.

I don't know if anyone else is like me but I have a small fund that I keep for my Mark VIII toys. It's also the funds that get hit first when things other things come up. So if I'm looking for an Ice Box I may not be able to wait to purchase them from LMS if the product is not available, and someone else has one or can make one that I can purchase when I have the funds that's what I have to do.

Right now my Mark VIII funds are low... So I'm not getting anything new for a bit.

Posted by: torquemonkey

Sounds like a winner to me.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Firstly that one looks great yet its overkill, too expensive to make also.

Posted by: torquemonkey

maybe, however . . . Overkill and Eyecandy rule, that has both.

That X-model may never make it to market, still is a great looking mod.

Posted by: mespock

Thought it would be a good solution to a current problem!

Posted by: Dominus

I think I'm just going to drop in the Home Depot and get to work on one of my own.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

That one does look awesome. Ours will polish to a mirror if you so choose to do so. Anyone can make it, its not rocket science. I made my own in about two hours when we made the template. I just started offering them for an easy item to just buy and plunk in.

Posted by: Dominus

If your comes out smoother and better looking than whatever I manage to put together here (very likely), then I'll definitely purchase it, but for now I just want the function more than anything.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

Firstly that one looks great yet its overkill, too expensive to make also.

How is it overkill? The idea is to provide the coldest air possible for the car to breath. One wall of material cannot possibly achieve two seperate temperatures inside and out. Maybe some type of polymer, but no metals I ever heard of. Also the factory air box shields the mass air sensor from heat, That is lost with the open filter set-up. My unit sheilds it also. Overkill, no functional. It is also about as air tight as your gonna get, functional. The fact that it looks good is just how I try to do things. It didn't take long and I like to do creative stuff like this. Believe it or not it was designed all for fuction, it just happens to look good too.

Posted by: torquemonkey

Would it be "overkill" to have an interstitial area to put ice into, like the '60's technology of having coils of fuel line run through an actual "ice box" for better performance? Maybe put some lunch box blue ice freezes between the two sheets of metal on race night? Just a thought.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by torquemonkey

Would it be "overkill" to have an interstitial area to put ice into, like the '60's technology of having coils of fuel line run through an actual "ice box" for better performance? Maybe put some lunch box blue ice freezes between the two sheets of metal on race night? Just a thought.

Can't say it would pull the temp of the filter side down to ice type temps. However it would however keep the box colder overall. Daily driving probably a waste, at the track it could help while waiting in staging lines alot. The only time the inner panel really gets hot is after the car sits with a hot motor, running or not. This would stop that. It would be a easy thing to fab or even integrate into my current design, Can't drip on the track, they don't like that, I would make sure it was sealed. Maybe enough room to set your beer while working under the hood.

Posted by: mespock

02LSE96LSC91SE84TC so are you interested in making some of our Air Intake Boxes available for members?

Posted by: pepperman

Rich, I wonder if that ICE box would work on my town Car?

Posted by: mespock

I suppose one could be made..

Posted by: pepperman

I will have to give that alot of thought

Posted by: torquemonkey

Dry ice for the desert racers. I have read in a CAT diesel manual that for every one degree of intake temperature it raises the exhaust by three degrees. So if a gasoline engine is anything close to that, it is optimal for higher ambient temp racers to have an actual "ice-box". Just a theory, after all is it worth the weight gain? However w/ 3900lb. curb weight, its all a matter of time slips.

Though for those of us who idle in long traffic w/ AC on, a well designed intake scoop for cooler air can only be a good thing.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

You could just drop some of those right in around the filter, not to many to restrict flow. Still think more on track night. I still don't know if it could possibly cool the air, the air spends little time in the box. Kinda funny, packing a lunch for you in the morning, and can't forget about the car, it likes it food cold too.

Posted by: torquemonkey

Yep, definately a track night deal. I have a few buddys that do a 50# shot of NO2 to cool off the manifold track. As I understand it works pretty good for intercoolers as well. To go along w/ the box idea, I have seen offered a cold air scoop for mustangs. Rather pricey for playing around w/ VIII's, still something to look at. It incorporates a under bumper scoop that snakes up throught the fenderwell to the air box. That would be quite trick to do w/ an air compressor down there.
All in all, its been fun bench racing for ideas.

Posted by: Moes8

while we are on this topic,what air filter (k&n) do i need ?like the one in these pics.

thanks

Posted by: torquemonkey

I had forgotten about this bit of Ford Patented Tech. The info comes from;
http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=418

Cool Technology Takes Power to New Levels:
Coletti’s team fit the SVT Lightning concept with an all-aluminum, 5.4-liter DOHC supercharged and intercooled V-8 engine conservatively rated at 500 horsepower and 500 foot pounds of torque (SAE net). And while they were at it, they invented and patented a speed secret for those times when even that much power just isn’t enough.

Ford’s patented SuperCooler technology cleverly provides a special burst of power for the SVT Lightning concept. Traditional intercoolers dissipate heat from the supercharged air by circulating coolant through a front-mounted, air-cooled radiator. With the SuperCooler system, the vehicle’s air conditioning system is used to chill a small storage tank of coolant to about 30 degrees Fahrenheit.

On demand, the SuperCooler system switches the intercooler flow from its normal circulation and dumps the chilled coolant into the engine’s intercooler. In turn, the intercooler dissipates up to 20 percent more heat from the charge air – resulting in a denser air charge.

A green light on the instrument panel indicates the system’s readiness. SuperCooler is activated automatically when the driver depresses the accelerator to a wide-open-throttle position.

“This technology plays directly into the hands of the enthusiast,” Coletti says. “The SuperCooler provides the edge for the driver, and it is done simply by taking advantage of the hardware that already exists in the vehicle.”

As a result of this cool technology, the SVT Lighting concept can give its driver as much as 50 transient horsepower for short bursts of 30-45 seconds and regenerate within 2 minutes under normal driving conditions. While its effect is similar to that of an aftermarket nitrous oxide system, the SuperCooler is completely self-contained, environmentally friendly and regenerative.

The SVT Lightning concept engine features a Lysholm, screw-type supercharger, paired with both an intercooler and the new SuperCooler system. The 32-valve, double-overhead-cam powerplant boasts Manley connecting rods, two fuel injectors per cylinder and high-performance heads similar to those on the limited-edition 2000 Ford SVT Mustang Cobra R.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I've seen that before about a year ago in a mag. It'd be hot if it really happens.

Posted by: torquemonkey

The theory would be the same for N/A cars too I would think. Fits the "Ice Box" promise as the name applies. Again, between rounds.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moes8

while we are on this topic,what air filter (k&n) do i need ?like the one in these pics.

thanks

I would have to dig that up, the box is somewhere. It was a part of the LMS Mega Mass Air kit, Geno would know.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by torquemonkey

The theory would be the same for N/A cars too I would think. Fits the "Ice Box" promise as the name applies. Again, between rounds.

Turbos and superchargers generate alot of heat so the effect has big power gains, on a N/A application alot less. In other words the intercoolers are removing the heat the power adder is adding, N/A motors don't have that problem. Power would be gained but minor. On the track anything helps. The Ice Box term or Cold Air Intake term really means or could also be said as. "At least the air isn't as hot as under the hood", or "As cold as the air is going to get for todays temp". Making the air as cold as ice will only make the car as fast as it is on a cold winter day.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by torquemonkey

I had forgotten about this bit of Ford Patented Tech. The info comes from;
http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=418

Cool Technology Takes Power to New Levels:
Coletti’s team fit the SVT Lightning concept with an all-aluminum, 5.4-liter DOHC supercharged and intercooled V-8 engine conservatively rated at 500 horsepower and 500 foot pounds of torque (SAE net). And while they were at it, they invented and patented a speed secret for those times when even that much power just isn’t enough.

Ford’s patented SuperCooler technology cleverly provides a special burst of power for the SVT Lightning concept. Traditional intercoolers dissipate heat from the supercharged air by circulating coolant through a front-mounted, air-cooled radiator. With the SuperCooler system, the vehicle’s air conditioning system is used to chill a small storage tank of coolant to about 30 degrees Fahrenheit.

On demand, the SuperCooler system switches the intercooler flow from its normal circulation and dumps the chilled coolant into the engine’s intercooler. In turn, the intercooler dissipates up to 20 percent more heat from the charge air – resulting in a denser air charge.

A green light on the instrument panel indicates the system’s readiness. SuperCooler is activated automatically when the driver depresses the accelerator to a wide-open-throttle position.

“This technology plays directly into the hands of the enthusiast,” Coletti says. “The SuperCooler provides the edge for the driver, and it is done simply by taking advantage of the hardware that already exists in the vehicle.”

As a result of this cool technology, the SVT Lighting concept can give its driver as much as 50 transient horsepower for short bursts of 30-45 seconds and regenerate within 2 minutes under normal driving conditions. While its effect is similar to that of an aftermarket nitrous oxide system, the SuperCooler is completely self-contained, environmentally friendly and regenerative.

The SVT Lightning concept engine features a Lysholm, screw-type supercharger, paired with both an intercooler and the new SuperCooler system. The 32-valve, double-overhead-cam powerplant boasts Manley connecting rods, two fuel injectors per cylinder and high-performance heads similar to those on the limited-edition 2000 Ford SVT Mustang Cobra R.

LMAO! Old news, the SuperMark had that setup back in 1993!! LOL!! The Supermark was a benchmark for ALOT of the Ford technology thats out now, very cool.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

That is eye candy for real. Never saw GenIs without coil paks, Is that coil on plug.

Posted by: torquemonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Right, I'm talking about idling and stop and go traffic in 115-degree ambient temp. Under the hood being more, shielding as much heat is a benefit. Especially out here in the "dry heat". What may be argued as minimal performance gains can be seen as engine longevity gains. Outside of bench racing, having my 100k+mi. mill live longer is a benefit. With that in mind, no I’m not about to pack ice in my engine bay to drive to work. Yes maybe on summer nights, I’ll see about cooling the intake charge as much as possible, by means that I see fit.
Out here its not unusual to see fellas w/ ice bags on their intakes, intercoolers and radiators in between runs.
If a man was good enough to get there car to runs as good as if it were on a cold Wisconsin night down here, well, dang good job.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

That is eye candy for real. Never saw GenIs without coil paks, Is that coil on plug.

The whole car is a freakshow. Coil on plug, 2 tb's, 2 maf's, 3 ecu's, 2 24lb injectors per cylinder..etc..etc.

Posted by: Moes8

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

The whole car is a freakshow. Coil on plug, 2 tb's, 2 maf's, 3 ecu's, 2 24lb injectors per cylinder..etc..etc.

please excuse my ignorance,but can you tell me about the supermark,i mean ,everything there is to know,
do you have the car now?

please enlighten me ,its so beautiful,,ahhhhhh.

need more knowledge,please..............drooooooooooool !!

thanks

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

The whole car is a freakshow. Coil on plug, 2 tb's, 2 maf's, 3 ecu's, 2 24lb injectors per cylinder..etc..etc.

Thats kinda mindboogling, the Mark in general was IMO ahead of its time, but that thing is crazy.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by torquemonkey

Yea I know living in WI our heat isn't squat compared to yours, so I guess the power gains would be more, or perhaps lack of power loss. Very good point.

Posted by: torquemonkey

So the agreed difference being that you may see a HP gain and I would get closer to zero (or less) HP loss. After all, heat soak will get you every time.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Thats kinda mindboogling, the Mark in general was IMO ahead of its time, but that thing is crazy.

The car is still safe and sound here in NJ. Just turned 5002 miles.

It was featured in this MOVIE.

Heres the unique belt wrap.

Heres some other links too.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/sho...ight=supermark

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/sho...ight=supermark

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by torquemonkey

So the agreed difference being that you may see a HP gain and I would get closer to zero (or less) HP loss. After all, heat soak will get you every time.

On a hot day around here you can notice horsepower drop, but its not often enough to get to concerned (I only drove my Mark 600 hundred miles last year). You deal with it all summer long. I guess you could say not having some sort of cold air device is like living in AZ in the summer on a hot day, even if your in WI on a cool winter day. Its a must have!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moes8

while we are on this topic,what air filter (k&n) do i need ?like the one in these pics.

thanks

The filter in the pic is a K&N RE-0870. If you plan on switching to a conical but intend to use your stock MAF, you'll need a adapter.

Posted by: Moes8

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

The filter in the pic is a K&N RE-0870. If you plan on switching to a conical but intend to use your stock MAF, you'll need a adapter.

thank you

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

I just got 10 units in, hurry.

Posted by: Dominus

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

I just got 10 units in, hurry.

Placing my order now.

Posted by: Dominus

Um, where do I place my order?

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominus

Um, where do I place my order?

1 856 456 3605 from 9 am to 6 pm est.

Posted by: StraDog

Hey Geno... I'm in for one if you could also get me that flexible rubber connector tube that connects the MAF to the throttle body tube.
How much would it be for your ICE box and that rubber intake connector shipped to 60638? Thanks.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by StraDog

Hey Geno... I'm in for one if you could also get me that flexible rubber connector tube that connects the MAF to the throttle body tube.
How much would it be for your ICE box and that rubber intake connector shipped to 60638? Thanks.

Your referring to the accordian hose I assume? If so that is not available seperately, it comes with the entire tube.

Posted by: Marine

I want the whole kit. The intake tube thats been trimmed all the way to the conical air filter. Do you have a whole kit?

Posted by: StraDog

Oh that sucks... Alright well, I'll have to find one somewhere else. Anyone one here have an extra "accordian tube" that goes along with the throttle body tube?

How much for the ICE box ?

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marine

Maybe just go with the 1 wall version, make a whole bunch, and let Geno sell them. There is lots of interest in these, I am wanting one myself. This way every one is happy.

Order up now I am down to 7 units and I have no idea when I will be getting more.

Posted by: StraDog

Put me down for one... Give me the price to put on the check. I'll be calling ya tomorrow. Thanks.

Posted by: Dominus

Put me down for one too. I'll call you in the morning.

Posted by: Dominus

-double post

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Funny how that works, luckily I'm not new to the game.

Posted by: StraDog

LoL.... I just got it... Oh well, anyways if I don't buy one now, I won't get it. I'm too lazy to make one myself, even tho it's a sinch.

Geno, is the price still at $45.00 ???

Posted by: scott9050

Can I come pick one up Wednesday?

Posted by: Moes8

what the heck is the price?

i feel so lost.lol

seriously ,how much?

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marine

I want the whole kit. The intake tube thats been trimmed all the way to the conical air filter. Do you have a whole kit?

We do the tube mod, you send yours in to us.