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What kind of man is Bush?

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Posted by: 97silverlsc

What kind of man is Bush?
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/co...wb/wb/xp-46210



Tim Abbott

Abbott, of Hillsville, served in the U.S. Army from 1970 to 1974 and is a tutor at New River Community College.

I grew up during the Cold War, in the aftermath of World War II, and I am a Vietnam-era veteran, so through my life I have heard a lot about freedom.

I was raised at a time when the portraits of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln hung in schools and evoked patriotism. We were taught that we should emulate their ideals in thought and deed. They were the examples of principles such as individual conscience, political liberty and social justice.

Washington was the father of his country. He led the Revolutionary army, telling his officers to treat prisoners of war "with humanity," and, like Cincinnatus, voluntarily stepped down from the presidency.

Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, stating that all men have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

And Lincoln was admired for his thought, humor and compassion. He wrote with malice toward none and charity for all.

Against these men and their successors were the fascist and communist dictators. In the photographs, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Josef Stalin and Francisco Franco strutted in military uniforms. Their concerns were not liberty, but national security and the national interests. All who opposed them were traitors and cowards.

Today we have other wars -- the war against terrorism and the Iraq war. Once again we are told these wars are about protecting our freedom.

Al-Qaida, we are told, wants to destroy us. Perhaps that is true, though it is hard to see how it is capable of such a feat. President Bush has called al-Qaida and Islamic fundamentalists "Islamo-fascists."

Bush talks a lot about freedom, courage, transparent government and the rule of law. He talks.

His speeches are carefully choreographed before audiences of his faithful -- often Christian fundamentalists or, to paraphrase Bush, Christian-fascists -- and they must sign loyalty oaths to Bush. He speaks before audience after audience of soldiers and sailors who cannot speak except as directed by the White House.

Others before whom he speaks may ask no questions. He runs from journalists, as we have seen in China, even on those rare occasions that he speaks before them.

Even worse, he has paid journalists to say good things about him and his policies. He also produces propaganda from government offices that he offers as news reports. And any protests against his policies are diverted well away from his sight and hearing.

In his Mission Accomplished foray, he wore a military uniform, something no president has done since Washington, and Washington only wore the uniform to quell a rebellion.

Around the world he has replaced the Soviet Gulag with the Bush Gulag, where men may be tortured.

He refuses to divulge the energy industries' influence upon his policies and the records of his Supreme Court nominees.

He refuses the United Nations access to question prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and refuses the Red Cross access to prisoners at CIA black sites. Furthermore, he threatened to veto legislation against the torture of prisoners even as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice conveyed a "don't ask, don't tell" torture policy to the world.

In Iraq, he took us into an unnecessary war.

He uses fear, intimidation, distortion and lies. I cannot tell whether the man cannot tell the truth or he doesn't know the truth.

From these few examples of many, what kind of man is Bush? Is he like Washington or Lincoln? Or is he a man of another kind? Not a Cincinnatus, but a Tarquin.

When I think of Bush, I do not think of liberty and courage, compassion and justice. No, I think of arrogance, greed and lies. He is a thug, a buffoon and a coward. Not only is he incompetent, he is corrupt.

He is of a kind with the dictators; a strutting, sanctimonious buffoon who talks democracy but acts like Saddam Hussein. Bush might differ in degree from Hussein, not having been in power as long, but in behavior, with torture and the corruption of government, they are of a kind.

While al-Qaida is an enemy of the values and principles of the United States and Western civilization and must be confronted, it can do no more than kill people and destroy property.

Bush can subvert our principles and institutions. He is the greater enemy.


Couldn't have said it better myself!!!



Posted by: barry2952

Those are pretty much the sentiments that I have voiced in opposition to BuSh.

I reiterate, "Worst President Ever".



Posted by: ToddG

What's the point of this article? This is a commentary/opinion piece -- just one man's opinion. He presents conclusions based on his own worldview. He presents no facts or arguments to support his position or persuade others that his view is more sound. Makes for good comedy reading, though.

This fellow's article appears eerily similar to Sidney Blumenthal's columns. Sid's views are so extreme he can't get an audience with a US newspaper and instead has to publish in the (leftwing) UK Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...667429,00.html



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
Those are pretty much the sentiments that I have voiced in opposition to BuSh.
Completely clueless.



Posted by: barry2952

Hardly. You'll be eating crow again soon enough.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
Hardly. You'll be eating crow again soon enough.
What??? After the Dems win back the House and Senate in '06 and vote to impeach Bush? Like I said...Clueless.



Posted by: CpeVillStr90

This guy talks out his a$$.He has no idea what he is talking about.Half the stuff he said is incorrect.And all of it is opinionated.Its people like this and the media that brainwash people like you 97silverlsc.They feed you a line of $h!t and you take it in because you are so gullable.You have no idea of the truth.This clown whines about us being in Iraq.Have we been attacked since 9/11?No,becuase unlike Bubba C,Bush decided to do something about it.That totally defeats this idiots claim of Bush being a coward.Please,enlighten me.Show me "torture and corruption" of the government.And why do you liberals care so much about the treatment of the evil POS terrorist we have imprisoned.They shouldn't be living.They should have been killed on the spot.You liberals seem to forget the 3000 Americans that these scumbags killed.This guy says Bush runs from journalists but also says he has paid them to say good things?Make up your mind.And show me proof of either.I would says that the war in Iraq is protecting our freedoms.Saddam has had ties with and was funding Al-Qaida and was running terrorists camps in Iraq.You also complain about Bush being a poor public speaker.True,but does that effect his decisions?No.I would much rather have someone who studders once in a while running my country than a total lier.Not to mention,Bush did get higher grades at Yale then you boy Kerry did.

You people can keep on being brainwashed and misimformed.Don't talk if you can't back anything up.Everything this retard said was opinion and was false.



Posted by: Calabrio

...So President Bush is a greater threat than Islamo-Fascist terrorist?

This is important to recognize. These people think that Bush is the enemy, and that Al-Queda is a rational organization that we simply need to better understand and communciate with.



Posted by: fossten

This is a good article because it illustrates the state of our academia in our hallowed institutions of higher learning in this day and age.



Posted by: RB3

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
What kind of man is Bush?
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/co...wb/wb/xp-46210

Al-Qaida, we are told, wants to destroy us. Perhaps that is true, though it is hard to see how it is capable of such a feat.
Al-Qaida (sic) wants to destroy us? PERHAPS this is true? PERHAPS you forgot September 11. Or the countless terror attacks on Americans during the Clinton years. PERHAPS you forgot the messages we've received saying they want to destroy us, coming from bin Laden and other terrorist leaders. As for how they'll accomplish it, it can be accomplished if enough idiot dupes like this author and those who agree with him prevail.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
President Bush has called al-Qaida and Islamic fundamentalists "Islamo-fascists."
That would be because they are Islamic, and fascist.


Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
Bush talks a lot about freedom, courage, transparent government and the rule of law. He talks...

In addition to talking, we haven't been attacked on these shores again.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
His speeches are carefully choreographed before audiences of his faithful -- ..
His speeches are carefully choreographed...this is the left's favorite ploy to make absolutely nothing sound sinister. In other words, his speeches are written by speechwriters, and rehearsed. Know a President whose weren't?


Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
often Christian fundamentalists or, to paraphrase Bush, Christian-fascists -- and they must sign loyalty oaths to Bush.
It wouldn't be a left-wing hate piece without a gratutious attack on Christians. As far as loyalty oaths to hear Bush speak...pure fantasy. Among the people I know who have heard Bush speak in person, none have signed a loyalty oath. And that list includes my mother and my son.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
He speaks before audience after audience of soldiers and sailors who cannot speak except as directed by the White House..
Yes, the Commander in Chief does indeed address the troops. And no, they don't hold up protest signs. Ever hear of military discipline?


Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
Others before whom he speaks may ask no questions. He runs from journalists, as we have seen in China, even on those rare occasions that he speaks before them..
Except, of course, when he is conducting one of his many press conferences. In China, he attempted to leave the room when a door was locked. It was a humorous moment. Only the crazed Left could see something sinister in it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
Even worse, he has paid journalists to say good things about him and his policies. He also produces propaganda from government offices that he offers as news reports. And any protests against his policies are diverted well away from his sight and hearing..
No, the Pentagon paid Iraqi newspapers to print positive news about the reconstruction there. It would be nice if we could get a few positive stories in this country as well. The journalists shouldn't have to be paid to present a balanced view, something we aren't getting in this country at all from the mainstream press.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
In his Mission Accomplished foray, he wore a military uniform, something no president has done since Washington, and Washington only wore the uniform to quell a rebellion...

No, he wore a flight suit. Perhaps you are unaware that he is a trained pilot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
Around the world he has replaced the Soviet Gulag with the Bush Gulag, where men may be tortured...

Pure fantasy. And we are told we must believe that people, who cannot find a difference between Stalinist Russia and the USA, are patriots?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
He refuses to divulge the energy industries' influence upon his policies and the records of his Supreme Court nominees...

I'm sure they were all picked by Halliburton. (sarcasm) This article continues to deterioriate further into paranoid left-wing conspiracy theories.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
He refuses the United Nations access to question prisoners at Guantanamo Bay ..

To do what? Smuggle out attack plans? What possible business does a useless organization like the UN have at Guantanamo?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
and refuses the Red Cross access to prisoners at CIA black sites...

Of course, no one has yet proven the existence of these sites.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
Furthermore, he threatened to veto legislation against the torture of prisoners even as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice conveyed a "don't ask, don't tell" torture policy to the world...

And many of us feel he should have vetoed the Al-Qaeda bill of rights.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
In Iraq, he took us into an unnecessary war...

If we define defending the United States as unnecessary. Last I checked that was the President's job.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
He uses fear, intimidation, distortion and lies. I cannot tell whether the man cannot tell the truth or he doesn't know the truth...

I think the author is describing himself here. The insane frequently project their characteristics onto others.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
From these few examples of many, what kind of man is Bush? Is he like Washington or Lincoln? Or is he a man of another kind? Not a Cincinnatus, but a Tarquin.

When I think of Bush, I do not think of liberty and courage, compassion and justice. No, I think of arrogance, greed and lies. He is a thug, a buffoon and a coward. Not only is he incompetent, he is corrupt...

But he's a better man than you are.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
He is of a kind with the dictators; a strutting, sanctimonious buffoon who talks democracy but acts like Saddam Hussein. Bush might differ in degree from Hussein, not having been in power as long, but in behavior, with torture and the corruption of government, they are of a kind.

While al-Qaida is an enemy of the values and principles of the United States and Western civilization and must be confronted, it can do no more than kill people and destroy property.

Bush can subvert our principles and institutions. He is the greater enemy...

As Calabrio pointed out, this is why the Left is truly dangerous. This paragraph truly says it all. The Left are unable to see the difference between a murderous tyrant and the leader of the free world. They cannot discern differences between the greatest democracy in the history of the world and third-world dictatorships. They are people who believe that the United States is always to blame , and is always wrong.

Anyone who seriously believes that Bush, not bin Laden, is the real enemy, is either clinically insane or a traitor. Take your pick.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
Couldn't have said it better myself!!!
I'm not surprised.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Originally Posted by 97silverlsc

"Tim Abbott
In his Mission Accomplished foray, he wore a military uniform, something no president has done since Washington, and Washington only wore the uniform to quell a rebellion..."

Hey, didn't Dukakis wear a military uniform? Oh, that's right. He wasn't President. Thank God.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by RB3
Al-Qaida (sic) wants to destroy us? PERHAPS this is true? PERHAPS you forgot September 11. Or the countless terror attacks on Americans during the Clinton years. PERHAPS you forgot the messages we've received saying they want to destroy us, coming from bin Laden and other terrorist leaders. As for how they'll accomplish it, it can be accomplished if enough idiot dupes like this author and those who agree with him prevail.



That would be because they are Islamic, and fascist.





In addition to talking, we haven't been attacked on these shores again.



His speeches are carefully choreographed...this is the left's favorite ploy to make absolutely nothing sound sinister. In other words, his speeches are written by speechwriters, and rehearsed. Know a President whose weren't?




It wouldn't be a left-wing hate piece without a gratutious attack on Christians. As far as loyalty oaths to hear Bush speak...pure fantasy. Among the people I know who have heard Bush speak in person, none have signed a loyalty oath. And that list includes my mother and my son.



Yes, the Commander in Chief does indeed address the troops. And no, they don't hold up protest signs. Ever hear of military discipline?




Except, of course, when he is conducting one of his many press conferences. In China, he attempted to leave the room when a door was locked. It was a humorous moment. Only the crazed Left could see something sinister in it.



No, the Pentagon paid Iraqi newspapers to print positive news about the reconstruction there. It would be nice if we could get a few positive stories in this country as well. The journalists shouldn't have to be paid to present a balanced view, something we aren't getting in this country at all from the mainstream press.




No, he wore a flight suit. Perhaps you are unaware that he is a trained pilot.




Pure fantasy. And we are told we must believe that people, who cannot find a difference between Stalinist Russia and the USA, are patriots?




I'm sure they were all picked by Halliburton. (sarcasm) This article continues to deterioriate further into paranoid left-wing conspiracy theories.




To do what? Smuggle out attack plans? What possible business does a useless organization like the UN have at Guantanamo?




Of course, no one has yet proven the existence of these sites.




And many of us feel he should have vetoed the Al-Qaeda bill of rights.




If we define defending the United States as unnecessary. Last I checked that was the President's job.




I think the author is describing himself here. The insane frequently project their characteristics onto others.




But he's a better man than you are.




As Calabrio pointed out, this is why the Left is truly dangerous. This paragraph truly says it all. The Left are unable to see the difference between a murderous tyrant and the leader of the free world. They cannot discern differences between the greatest democracy in the history of the world and third-world dictatorships. They are people who believe that the United States is always to blame , and is always wrong.

Anyone who seriously believes that Bush, not bin Laden, is the real enemy, is either clinically insane or a traitor. Take your pick.



I'm not surprised.
That was some of the best dissecting I've seen since 10th Grade Biology.

Phil, you and your LWW writer are



Posted by: 97silverlsc

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten
That was some of the best dissecting I've seen since 10th Grade Biology.

AND totally meaningless!!!



P.S. Didn't you finish that biology class last semester?



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
AND totally meaningless!!!



P.S. Didn't you finish that biology class last semester?
Typical. Can't debate an issue on the merits, so you attack personally. Go back and stand under Michael Moore's shadow.



Posted by: 97silverlsc

You're right, I did lower my self, a little bit, to the level of Bryan and crew with that last post, I apologize.

I still agree with the sentiments expressed in the lead editorial of this post.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
You're right, I did lower my self, a little bit, to the level of Bryan and crew with that last post, I apologize.

I still agree with the sentiments expressed in the lead editorial of this post.
Your apology is insincere, sarcastic, vitriolic, and meaningless, containing nothing even resembling actual truth. Much like your articles and posts.



Posted by: 97silverlsc

Calm down, fossten, you might hurt yourself one of these days with all those tantrums you throw!!





Posted by: fossten

Your logic is flawed, begging the question. You have no idea what to say in response so you imply that I need to calm down. Typical flash and distract tactic, very amateurish.

Go back to cut/paste, you're better at that.



Posted by: 97silverlsc

You resort to name calling and belittling people, and when someone responds in kind you display righteous indignation. Get over yourself or move to DC and join the Shrub (lack of) brain trust.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
You resort to name calling and belittling people, and when someone responds in kind you display righteous indignation. Get over yourself or move to DC and join the Shrub (lack of) brain trust.
There you go again, making it up as you go.

Quote my post in this thread where I called you a name.

COME ON, DO IT!



Posted by: 97silverlsc

That you haven't done it in this thread (yet) doesn't mean it hasn't happened elsewhere.
There are other threads where you have done just what I said. Stop playing the innocent schoolgirl routine and grow up.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Are we having fun yet?



Posted by: CpeVillStr90

Its okay fossten,the best thing to do is ignore someone with such a lack of intelligence.Because the odds are your not going to get anywhere with such a person.He has been proven wrong and he knows it.The article which he blindly supports because he is extremly misinformed because he listens to the media so much has been broken down and chopped into peices and every aspect of the ignorant article has been proven wrong with facts.See fossten,the main difference between us and the lefties is that they make false,opinionated statements that mean nothing because they are unable to back anything up.Its hard to back opinion up when its wrong.We bring facts to table,and the can't say anything about our facts.So instead of admitting they're wrong they will resort insulting and belittling us because we are right and they are wrong.And when we defend ourselfs,they will start making accusations like lsc did by saying you were namecalling and and belittling.When you infact,did not.And he,infact,did.

P.S.-97silverlsc,don't respond by accusing me of calling you dumb or something.I have noticed in all your posts in the political forum that your throw down nothing but your own false opinion.This is a sign of a lack of intelligence because any real debater brings FACTS to the table,not the opinion,considering nobody cares what YOU(the debater in general) think.People are looking for facts.So lets end this thread by you admitting that the article is indeed pointless because it expresses some libbies opinion.And RB3 simply broke it down and proved the whole thing wrong with FACTS,not opinions.



Posted by: barry2952

Funny post.



Posted by: CpeVillStr90

Mind telling me the humor?I didn't think it was funny...



Posted by: fossten

barry's sense of humor is backwards. He doesn't get religious jokes, yet he sees humor in truth.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
That you haven't done it in this thread (yet) doesn't mean it hasn't happened elsewhere.
There are other threads where you have done just what I said. Stop playing the innocent schoolgirl routine and grow up.
Phil, go back to cut/pasting. Originating a thought isn't your strong suit.



Posted by: CpeVillStr90

Quote:
barry's sense of humor is backwards. He doesn't get religious jokes, yet he sees humor in truth.
Ok I see now,makes sense.Thanks for the heads up!



Posted by: 97silverlsc

Quote:
Originally Posted by CpeVillStr90
Its okay fossten,the best thing to do is ignore someone with such a lack of intelligence.Because the odds are your not going to get anywhere with such a person.He has been proven wrong and he knows it.The article which he blindly supports because he is extremly misinformed because he listens to the media so much has been broken down and chopped into peices and every aspect of the ignorant article has been proven wrong with facts.See fossten,the main difference between us and the lefties is that they make false,opinionated statements that mean nothing because they are unable to back anything up.Its hard to back opinion up when its wrong.We bring facts to table,and the can't say anything about our facts.So instead of admitting they're wrong they will resort insulting and belittling us because we are right and they are wrong.And when we defend ourselfs,they will start making accusations like lsc did by saying you were namecalling and and belittling.When you infact,did not.And he,infact,did.

P.S.-97silverlsc,don't respond by accusing me of calling you dumb or something.I have noticed in all your posts in the political forum that your throw down nothing but your own false opinion.This is a sign of a lack of intelligence because any real debater brings FACTS to the table,not the opinion,considering nobody cares what YOU(the debater in general) think.People are looking for facts.So lets end this thread by you admitting that the article is indeed pointless because it expresses some libbies opinion.And RB3 simply broke it down and proved the whole thing wrong with FACTS,not opinions.
You forgot to throw in 3 or 4 for emphasis.





Posted by: Eleanor

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
Those are pretty much the sentiments that I have voiced in opposition to BuSh.

I reiterate, "Worst President Ever".

I reiterate also..................but on the other end of it......
" greatest President Ever "
Its hard to find men nowadays that will stand up for anything. Most are hiding in their corners playing the ostrig syndrome.



Posted by: waltdeuce

Did we ever find the "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" in Iraq? Dabbing into Afghanistan was alot of help too.........WE really changed their lifestyle didn't we. I love the way we're cultivating "democracy" in Iraq, voting for a leader is really working and I believe that women can now actually argue with their husbands. You can say that I'm probably all up in Michael Moore's A$$crack, but hey............he speaks more truth than BUSH. Here's a "cut and paste" for ya....

read it...
http://newamericancentury.org/Rebuil...asDefenses.pdf

Great plan......very reminiscent to Hitler's Manifesto before carrying on with his Holocaust. Great stuff.



Posted by: Eleanor

Quote:
Originally Posted by waltdeuce
Did we ever find the "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" in Iraq? Dabbing into Afghanistan was alot of help too.........WE really changed their lifestyle didn't we. I love the way we're cultivating "democracy" in Iraq, voting for a leader is really working and I believe that women can now actually argue with their husbands. You can say that I'm probably all up in Michael Moore's A$$crack, but hey............he speaks more truth than BUSH. Here's a "cut and paste" for ya....

read it...
http://newamericancentury.org/Rebuil...asDefenses.pdf

Great plan......very reminiscent to Hitler's Manifesto before carrying on with his Holocaust. Great stuff.
Like I said..............
Its hard to find men nowadays that will stand up for anything. Most are hiding in their corners playing the ostrig syndrome.
I hope you like your safe little corner.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by CpeVillStr90
Ok I see now,makes sense.Thanks for the heads up!
Check out this thread for historical reference - pretty amazing.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/sho...bear+christian



Posted by: JohnnyBz00LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by CpeVillStr90
Its okay fossten,the best thing to do is ignore someone with such a lack of intelligence.Because the odds are your not going to get anywhere with such a person.He has been proven wrong and he knows it.The article which he blindly supports because he is extremly misinformed because he listens to the media so much has been broken down and chopped into peices and every aspect of the ignorant article has been proven wrong with facts.See fossten,the main difference between us and the lefties is that they make false,opinionated statements that mean nothing because they are unable to back anything up.Its hard to back opinion up when its wrong.We bring facts to table,and the can't say anything about our facts.So instead of admitting they're wrong they will resort insulting and belittling us because we are right and they are wrong.And when we defend ourselfs,they will start making accusations like lsc did by saying you were namecalling and and belittling.When you infact,did not.And he,infact,did.

P.S.-97silverlsc,don't respond by accusing me of calling you dumb or something.I have noticed in all your posts in the political forum that your throw down nothing but your own false opinion.This is a sign of a lack of intelligence because any real debater brings FACTS to the table,not the opinion,considering nobody cares what YOU(the debater in general) think.People are looking for facts.So lets end this thread by you admitting that the article is indeed pointless because it expresses some libbies opinion.And RB3 simply broke it down and proved the whole thing wrong with FACTS,not opinions.
You are so full of it isn't funny anymore.......

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten
Your apology is insincere, sarcastic, vitriolic, and meaningless, containing nothing even resembling actual truth. Much like your articles and posts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten
Typical flash and distract tactic, very amateurish.
If you don't think that (and what you've said above) isn't "belittling" and "insulting", you need to go back to school, son. Typical rePUG response, deny, deny, deny in the face of truth. You do a good job of following the traits of your worthless leader.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Let's get back to picking on Bush, not on each other. OK?



Posted by: barry2952

Sure Bryan. How about leading by example?



Posted by: MonsterMark

I would but I have tons of crap going on and I only have a second here and there to check in and make sure things are not blowing up. Sorry. How 'bout you give it a whack if you have a few spare minutes. Lots of threads in the forum need a little tlc to get them back on track. I don't have the time right now. I'm busy being a selfish Republican capitalist.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
You are so full of it isn't funny anymore.......





If you don't think that (and what you've said above) isn't "belittling" and "insulting", you need to go back to school, son. Typical rePUG response, deny, deny, deny in the face of truth. You do a good job of following the traits of your worthless leader.

(bows before his master) Listen to Johnny, the KING OF THE PERSONAL ATTACK. If anybody knows how to define it, it's him.

HOWEVER:

There is a difference between belittling someone's argument/statement and belittling someone as a person. Obviously there's no difference to you, because you belittle everyone and everything that crosses your path.

Nevertheless, I stand by the difference and you cannot say that I name-call, at least not presently. You, on the other hand, epitomize the word "pejorative."



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleanor
Like I said..............
Its hard to find men nowadays that will stand up for anything. Most are hiding in their corners playing the ostrig syndrome.
I hope you like your safe little corner.
Well, he believes GWB is a terrible leader and he is standing up in defiance of him. Wouldn't that count as a man standing up for something? If he kept his sentiments about Bush to himself, that would be hiding in a corner, or having his head buried in the sand like an ostrich.

The 'If you don't support George W. Bush, then you're the enemy' mantra (or any of it's many offshoots) is down right ridiculous and a completely un-American thing to say/believe. Last I checked dissension was allowed and encouraged in this country, or did we outlaw it when GWB took office........



Posted by: waltdeuce

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleanor
Like I said..............
Its hard to find men nowadays that will stand up for anything. Most are hiding in their corners playing the ostrig syndrome.
I hope you like your safe little corner.
I love my safe little corner. This corner is starting to really get crowded though, too many people with the same opinions. Let me guess, you're probably one of the few GREAT AMERICANS left in the middle of the ring, right? Ready to fight, right? Well who the heck are you fighting anyway? You've already worked up a sweat when you haven't even been scheduled to fight yet.......ahhhh, just like Bush's pre-emptive strike on the Middle East. He never did have an exit strategy you know...........probably why he's having a hard time ending the war. What a bunch of crock....I still don't see any progress there. Can some of you guys please reply back with all the positive changes that WE'VE made in the Middle East?? And yes, I do stand up for something......I stand against bush. I've been to both peace rallies in San Jose and San Francisco. I think that's SOMEWHAT type of proof that I stand for something.....but then again, that's just my opinion.

I like your name by the way....Eleanor.....fits your personality perfectly.



Posted by: RB3

Quote:
Originally Posted by waltdeuce
I love my safe little corner. This corner is starting to really get crowded though, too many people with the same opinions. Let me guess, you're probably one of the few GREAT AMERICANS left in the middle of the ring, right? Ready to fight, right? Well who the heck are you fighting anyway? You've already worked up a sweat when you haven't even been scheduled to fight yet.......ahhhh, just like Bush's pre-emptive strike on the Middle East. He never did have an exit strategy you know...........probably why he's having a hard time ending the war. What a bunch of crock....I still don't see any progress there. Can some of you guys please reply back with all the positive changes that WE'VE made in the Middle East?? And yes, I do stand up for something......I stand against bush. I've been to both peace rallies in San Jose and San Francisco. I think that's SOMEWHAT type of proof that I stand for something.....but then again, that's just my opinion.

I like your name by the way....Eleanor.....fits your personality perfectly.
Do you even recognize your own glaring non sequitur:

"And yes, I do stand up for something......I stand against bush."

Here are just a few of the many positive changes we've made in the Middle East:

1. Democratically elected government in Afghanistan
2. Democratically elected constitutional government underway in Iraq
3. Resumption of public education in Afghanistan
4. Restoration of infrastructure in both countries
5. Restoration of women's rights in both countries, including the right to work and the right to vote.
6. The end of torture and killing by Hussein in Iraq
7. The return of Libya to more responsible conduct due to fear of being dealt with as was Iraq

But I don't doubt you stand against all that as well.

That's a brave corner you've picked out in San Francisco, where you in true dilettante fashion sanctimoniously denigrate the real accomplishments of real Americans.

Here's a clue for you: your corner won't remain safe if you don't learn to defend it.



Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by waltdeuce
What a bunch of crock....I still don't see any progress there. Can some of you guys please reply back with all the positive changes that WE'VE made in the Middle East?? ...
Sigh. This has been obliterated by me before. Here ya go, newbie:

http://www.defendamerica.mil/iraq/rebuilding.html

I'm sure you won't take the time to read all this, but if you do, we'll see you in a few weeks.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06005/632867.stm

Note the number of Iraqi battalions that are combat ready.
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Originally Posted by waltdeuce
I like your name by the way....Eleanor.....fits your personality perfectly.
??? Is that some sort of pejorative statement?



Posted by: TheDude

1. Democratically elected government in Afghanistan

Why are American soldeirs still dieing and military operations going on if the Afghan government is up and running? If the government can't support itself, its not really an accomplishment.

2. Democratically elected constitutional government underway in Iraq

Refer to my previous question when and if an Iraqi Democracy is up and can sustain itself independantly.

3. Resumption of public education in Afghanistan

Thats a good thing.

4. Restoration of infrastructure in both countries

Again, it's still a war zone, not sure how structually sound they are. Could be a house of cards waiting to tumble. No?

5. Restoration of women's rights in both countries, including the right to work and the right to vote.

Excellent thing, hope it last.

6. The end of torture and killing by Hussein in Iraq

Very good, unfortunately killing and torturing is still happening.

7. The return of Libya to more responsible conduct due to fear of being dealt with as was Iraq

Libya was threatening us?



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by waltdeuce
Did we ever find the "Weapons of Mass Destruction?"
Even though your question was rhetorical, I'll answer that for you since you're new and none of the Bush people here responded. I'll answer to what they have said in the past about the WMD debate.

1) No WMD's have been found, but that doesn't mean they aren't hidden somewhere.

2) They were probably shipped to Syria

3) The WMD's are actually terrorist and we have found large quantities of them in Iraq.

4) The intel was wrong! Bush wasn't!

There's more, I just can't remember it all right now.



Posted by: RB3

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
1. Democratically elected government in Afghanistan

Why are American soldeirs still dieing and military operations going on if the Afghan government is up and running? If the government can't support itself, its not really an accomplishment.
Because it isn't quite Vermont yet. To suggest that displacing the Taliban and replacing it with a democratically elected government isn't an accomplishment is just silly.

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
2. Democratically elected constitutional government underway in Iraq

Refer to my previous question when and if an Iraqi Democracy is up and can sustain itself independantly.
Refer to my previous answer. And go read Fossten's post as well.

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[[i]3. Resumption of public education in Afghanistan[/I

Thats a good thing.
Glad you agree.

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
[4. Restoration of infrastructure in both countries

Again, it's still a war zone, not sure how structually sound they are. Could be a deck of cards waiting to tumble. No?
No. Roads are being repaired, the electrical grid is rebuilt, public buildings are reopening, and on and on. Please research instead of speculating. I have.

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
[[i]5. Restoration of women's rights in both countries, including the right to work and the right to vote.[/I

Excellent thing, hope it last.
It won't if your side prevails.

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
[[i]6. The end of torture and killing by Hussein in Iraq[/I

Very good, unfortunately killing and torturing is still happening.
And we're rooting them out.

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
7. The return of Libya to more responsible conduct due to fear of being dealt with as was Iraq

Libya was threatening us?
Yes. Libya was a known state sponsor of terrorism.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
1. Democratically elected government in Afghanistan

Why are American soldeirs still dieing and military operations going on if the Afghan government is up and running? If the government can't support itself, its not really an accomplishment.
I see. So in your America-hating world, we should just let Afghanistan be overrun by terrorists again, so they can give people like bin Laden asylum. Typical strategy, bashing our efforts to protect ourselves.
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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
2. Democratically elected constitutional government underway in Iraq

Refer to my previous question when and if an Iraqi Democracy is up and can sustain itself independantly.
You didn't read the rest of the info, b/c if you did you'd know that Iraq is getting there. We never even had an exit strategy for WWII. We're STILL over there.
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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
3. Resumption of public education in Afghanistan

Thats a good thing.

4. Restoration of infrastructure in both countries

Again, it's still a war zone, not sure how structually sound they are. Could be a house of cards waiting to tumble. No?
No, because we're not abandoning them until they're ready to defend themselves, despite your leaders' best efforts to undermine Iraq.
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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
5. Restoration of women's rights in both countries, including the right to work and the right to vote.

Excellent thing, hope it last.
How very hopefully cynical of you.
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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
6. The end of torture and killing by Hussein in Iraq

Very good, unfortunately killing and torturing is still happening.
"Yeah, and people and animals are still dying around the world." So what? Irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS
7. The return of Libya to more responsible conduct due to fear of being dealt with as was Iraq

Libya was threatening us?
Uh - YEAH - they were building nukes until we went into Iraq, and then they announced they were backing down. Geez, do you watch anything but CBS news? No wonder you don't know what's going well in the world.



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten
I see. So in your America-hating world, we should just let Afghanistan be overrun by terrorists again, so they can give people like bin Laden asylum. Typical strategy, bashing our efforts to protect ourselves..
Typical twisting of words and attacking. I said no such thing.

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Originally Posted by fossten
You didn't read the rest of the info, b/c if you did you'd know that Iraq is getting there. We never even had an exit strategy for WWII. We're STILL over there.
Put the notion of 'Getting there' in one hand and take a #$%$ in the other, tell me what you come out with. Wishful thinking is nice, but people are dying daily while you wish. Iraq isn't WWII, not even but a long shot. And yes, I read the webpage you posted about the Iraq time table.

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Originally Posted by fossten
No, because we're not abandoning them until they're ready to defend themselves, despite your leaders' best efforts to undermine Iraq..
I'm not for pulling out of Iraq immediately anymore, we have a responsibility to clean up our own messes. Unfortunately, it will cost the lives of thousands of soldiers to come in the following years possibly decades. Also, can America financially afford to pay for the war effort that long?

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Originally Posted by fossten
How very hopefully cynical of you...
Thank you?

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Originally Posted by fossten
"Yeah, and people and animals are still dying around the world." So what? Irrelevant.
The comment was pertaining to Iraq, we took down Saddam to stop killing & torture, but killing and torture are still happening. It might be irrelevant to you, but then again, out of site out of mind right.

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Originally Posted by fossten
"Uh - YEAH - they were building nukes until we went into Iraq, and then they announced they were backing down. .
That's not what I asked, I asked if Libya was threatening us, not if they had the capability to do so. You're comment is irrelevant, North Korea has nukes, we're not in the best relations with them, but we're not attacking North Korea for it.

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Originally Posted by fossten
"Geez, do you watch anything but CBS news? No wonder you don't know what's going well in the world.
That comment coming from you, the guy who'll only listen to something if it is pro-Bush and do so blindly, that's funny.



Posted by: CpeVillStr90

Quote:
You forgot to throw in 3 or 4 for emphasis.
Totally defenseless I see?Typical of you.

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Did we ever find the "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" in Iraq? Dabbing into Afghanistan was alot of help too.........WE really changed their lifestyle didn't we. I love the way we're cultivating "democracy" in Iraq, voting for a leader is really working and I believe that women can now actually argue with their husbands. You can say that I'm probably all up in Michael Moore's A$$crack, but hey............he speaks more truth than BUSH. Here's a "cut and paste" for ya....
Actually we did find nerve gas in Syria.So we do have reason to believe that they may have been taken out of Iraq and there could be more to be found.Id would say we changed their lifestyle.Before Iraqies worried about if they would live to see another day.Its nothing like that anymore.Oh and like the rest of you,Moore can't back anything up.He speaks his opinion.Which are all lies.

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You are so full of it isn't funny anymore.......
Another one.Tell me,please oh please,tell me why I am full of B.S. instead of just saying it.If you cannot then your post means nothing and was a worthless waste of space.

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Why are American soldeirs still dieing and military operations going on if the Afghan government is up and running? If the government can't support itself, its not really an accomplishment.
It takes years for a country to totally beable to run on its own.How many years were we under the Articles of Conferderation?It was years before we were totally stable as a country.

You want an accomplishment?How many times have we been attacked since we had a president with some sack.Bubba Clinton never responded to anything.He was more worried about when the next time Monica was going to satisfy him rather then running the country and keeping the people safe.Thats exactly why 9/11 happened.Because nothing was never done in defense during the Clinton years.Give an inch,take a mile.And thats exactly what Osama did.Want an accomplishment?Be happy your still alive.Immagine how many more times we would have been attacked if Bush sat on his ass like Bubba did.



Posted by: barry2952

Talk about talking out you ass. Show me where we've even been in Syria to find nerve gas. BuSh would be jumping up and down if that were true. What's your source, your dreams?



Posted by: JohnnyBz00LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
You are so full of it isn't funny anymore.......
Quote:
Originally Posted by CpeVillStr90
Another one.Tell me,please oh please,tell me why I am full of B.S. instead of just saying it.If you cannot then your post means nothing and was a worthless waste of space.
Ah, another one with a mental block on reading comprehension. Go back and re-read my post, it's all spelled out in black and white.


Quote:
Originally Posted by CpeVillStr90
You want an accomplishment?How many times have we been attacked since we had a president with some sack.Bubba Clinton never responded to anything.He was more worried about when the next time Monica was going to satisfy him rather then running the country and keeping the people safe.Thats exactly why 9/11 happened.Because nothing was never done in defense during the Clinton years.Give an inch,take a mile.And thats exactly what Osama did.Want an accomplishment?Be happy your still alive.Immagine how many more times we would have been attacked if Bush sat on his ass like Bubba did.
The fact of the matter is, it is only a matter of time before we get attacked again. Even the bi-partisan 9/11 comissioners agree that GW has done a VERY POOR job of increasing the ACTUAL (as opposed to VIRTUAL in your own minds) SECURITY of the US soil. The pathetic "patriot act" and "homeland security" has turned out to be a clawless tiger in the real defense of US soil and is nothing more than a political machine used to funnel tax dollars into the pockets of legislators and law enforcement officials instead of towards actual, REAL improvements in the security of our US soil.

Go ahead and keep on believing your dilusions while turning your back on your fellow US citizen. I'm not the one that is going to have to beg at the pearly gates for you.



Posted by: RB3

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
Talk about talking out you ass. Show me where we've even been in Syria to find nerve gas. BuSh would be jumping up and down if that were true. What's your source, your dreams?
To answer your question.

(Source is Jane's Defense Weekly)

Syria's 'nerve gas' missiles

- 30 July 2003

"AT LEAST 100 Syrian long-range ballistic missiles, equipped with VX, the most lethal nerve gas, are aimed at central Israel," according to a senior Israeli defence source, who added that the Syrians have now achieved their aim of balancing Israel's nuclear advantage.




Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by RB3
To answer your question.
Guess I won't wait for a retort from Barry.



Posted by: barry2952

"Did we ever find the "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" in Iraq?"

The question was about WMD that were Iraq's. Try and read a little closer. Comprehension seems to be a problem with the RW.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
Show me where we've even been in Syria to find nerve gas.
RB3 answered your question. Guess you don't like answers.

So what exactly is it you are smoking and how can I get some?



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
"Did we ever find the "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" in Iraq?"
The question you should be asking yourself is: Did Saddam ever HAVE "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?



Posted by: barry2952

Try R E A D I N G the question Bryan.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
Try R E A D I N G the question Bryan.
Try R E A D I N G the answer barry.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
Talk about talking out you ass. Show me where we've even been in Syria to find nerve gas. BuSh would be jumping up and down if that were true. What's your source, your dreams?
Quote:
Originally Posted by RB3
To answer your question.

(Source is Jane's Defense Weekly)

Syria's 'nerve gas' missiles

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
Try R E A D I N G the question Bryan.
Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
The question was about WMD that were Iraq's. Try and read a little closer. Comprehension seems to be a problem with the RW.
You're pretty funny. You ask a question as posed by the Question Mark in the statement. RB3 answers. I make a comment about the fact that RB3 gave you the information you requested and that you wouldn't be able to refute it and then you go on to say, no not that question. Pretty funny stuff there. Must have lost your bookmark in the hate Bush handbook.



Posted by: fossten

No, he's distracted with still trying to figure out why that Christian bear joke is funny.



Posted by: barry2952

Ty reading the question at the top of page 2 and subsequent answers. You guys like playing with each other, don't you?



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
Ty reading the question at the top of page 2 and subsequent answers. You guys like playing with each other, don't you?
We're not talking about the question on the top of page 2. What does that have to do with the question you posed (see your own quote/question), the answer that was given by RB3, and my scintillating comment?

Are you confused? Hello? Where are you?

The fog must have drifted in.



Posted by: JohnnyBz00LS

Typical flash & distract tactics from the RWWs..........

Barry asks: "Did we ever find the "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" in Iraq?"

RWWs answer: "Actually we did find nerve gas in Syria. So we do have reason to believe that they may have been taken out of Iraq and there could be more to be found."

Barry asks another question: "Show me where we've even been in Syria to find nerve gas."

RWWs reply: "AT LEAST 100 Syrian long-range ballistic missiles, equipped with VX, the most lethal nerve gas, are aimed at central Israel," according to a senior Israeli defence source, who added that the Syrians have now achieved their aim of balancing Israel's nuclear advantage."

Pure speculation that the same nerve-gas missles reported by a senior Israeli defence source (not US), were secretly smuggled into Syria from Iraq. And you guys on the right wonder why you have no credibility.

Sorry Barry, but this deserves an



Posted by: RB3

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
Typical flash & distract tactics from the RWWs..........

Barry asks: "Did we ever find the "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" in Iraq?"
Wrong sequence. Barry DID NOT ask this until AFTER I answered the Syria question. Bryan pointed this out as well. The question was originally asked by someone else, and Barry referred to it in an attempt to "flash & distract."

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
RWWs answer: "Actually we did find nerve gas in Syria. So we do have reason to believe that they may have been taken out of Iraq and there could be more to be found."
Did you see the "may" there? Yep, that's the speculation you are so concerned over. We can't prove it did come from Iraq, and you can't prove it didn't.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
Barry asks another question: "Show me where we've even been in Syria to find nerve gas."
Nope, that was his first question.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
RWWs reply: "AT LEAST 100 Syrian long-range ballistic missiles, equipped with VX, the most lethal nerve gas, are aimed at central Israel," according to a senior Israeli defence source, who added that the Syrians have now achieved their aim of balancing Israel's nuclear advantage."
Still true, don't see the problem, other than that I'm RB3, not RWW.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
Pure speculation that the same nerve-gas missles reported by a senior Israeli defence source (not US), were secretly smuggled into Syria from Iraq.
I'm speculating here (couldn't resist) that your complaint now is that it was Israel, not the USA, that discovered the nerve gas in Syria. Guess what...unlike the American Left, Israel is a USA Ally.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
And you guys on the right wonder why you have no credibility.
I've never wondered that. I'm known as credible all over the world.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
Sorry Barry, but this deserves an
I agree. Thanks.



Posted by: barry2952

Another lame response. And yes, I believe you are a RWW if you believe what you spew.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry2952
Another lame response. And yes, I believe you are a RWW if you believe what you spew.
RB3 has yet to be refuted on this board. He makes the best arguments and puts up the best defenses. Hardly what I or anyone could call 'spewing'.



Posted by: CpeVillStr90

Quote:
Ah, another one with a mental block on reading comprehension. Go back and re-read my post, it's all spelled out in black and white.
Seems to be that your the one with the mental block. You said that my post is total B.S. Which means nothing unless you can explain why.Until then, you are better off not posting anything.

Quote:
The fact of the matter is, it is only a matter of time before we get attacked again. Even the bi-partisan 9/11 comissioners agree that GW has done a VERY POOR job of increasing the ACTUAL (as opposed to VIRTUAL in your own minds) SECURITY of the US soil. The pathetic "patriot act" and "homeland security" has turned out to be a clawless tiger in the real defense of US soil and is nothing more than a political machine used to funnel tax dollars into the pockets of legislators and law enforcement officials instead of towards actual, REAL improvements in the security of our US soil.
The reason we haven't been attacked is because where in the Middle East taking care of business.Like I said,Bubba was the reason for 9/11.He did nothing about the attacks during his terms,infact he accomplished absolutly nothing.While we are chasing these scums down,they are too preoccupied to plan anything.It's hard to plan a major attack when your constantly running and hiding.

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fossten No, he's distracted with still trying to figure out why that Christian bear joke is funny.
LOL,that was too funny fossten. After reading that thread I see where your coming from.

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RB3 has yet to be refuted on this board. He makes the best arguments and puts up the best defenses. Hardly what I or anyone could call 'spewing'.
I totally agree.Like I said in another post,they have been proven wrong and then will resort to something else.Such as talking about who asked what question.The fact of the matter is that all them Muslims in the Middle East all hate America and freedom.There good buddies in some way or another.A WMD was found.May have not of been in Iraq,but it was found.Which is going to put me on my toes if Im running a country that has been attacked more than once by these people.



Posted by: waltdeuce

Did we ever figure out what kind of man Bush is? Even a judge can't agree with this jack@$$.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2685935

I'm sorry, this newbie said too much again.....but 1 more stupid question before I go and hide in my little bubble, what do you guys think about the proposed military draft? I'm not trying to be rhetorical or sarcastic. I simply want to see other people's perspective on scenario.



Posted by: Joeychgo

Recent Poll on AOL I took a screenshot of.....



Posted by: Calabrio

I often turn to AOL users for issues of national security and international foreign policy. I appreciate their insight. I'm sure they put a lot of thought into that.

Could you post the "should Britney leave K-Fed" poll next?



Posted by: MonsterMark

AOL? Who the hell uses AOL anymore. LMAO. Hint... Tin foil hat parties...

Hello??? Time to join the digital revolution. And I'm willing to bet most are on dial-up.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by waltdeuce
Did we ever figure out what kind of man Bush is? Even a judge can't agree with this jack@$$.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2685935

I'm sorry, this newbie said too much again.....but 1 more stupid question before I go and hide in my little bubble, what do you guys think about the proposed military draft? I'm not trying to be rhetorical or sarcastic. I simply want to see other people's perspective on scenario.
Another Clinton appointee who thinks she's Queen of America and can tell the President how to fight a war. She also tried to strike down the Patriot Act as well. She's a real lib wacko.

By the way, lots of judges have agreed with this "jack@$$" including Supreme Court Justices. Why don't you take your invective somewhere else?



Posted by: DLS8K

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMark
AOL? Who the hell uses AOL anymore. LMAO. Hint... Tin foil hat parties...

Hello??? Time to join the digital revolution. And I'm willing to bet most are on dial-up.
I would encourage you to find polls asking those identical questions (or as close to identical as possible) from a neutral website.



Posted by: Vitas

Quote:
Originally Posted by DLS8K
I would encourage you to find polls asking those identical questions (or as close to identical as possible) from a neutral website.
Why?



Posted by: DLS8K

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitas
Why?
I am assuming he does not like the results of the survey by AOL and is thus slandering AOL.



Posted by: rmac694203

In all fairness AOL is about as cool as a mouthful of hair.





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