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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
From Bob Owens of the Confederate Yankee...
In a time of extraordinary circumstances, while the remains of murdered Americans were still being recovered from Ground Zero, the Pentagon, and a field outside Shanksville, the President decided that stopping terrorists from killing more Americans was more important than entertaining the delicate sensibilities of the ACLU. |
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
I have noticed a distinct pattern in your postings that you have nothing to offer the discussion except snide remarks.
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Originally Posted by barry2952
Now you've taken to answering your own posts like Vitas.
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Originally Posted by fossten
That's funny, Barry, I don't see Phil answering his posts. In fact, all I see is Bryan KICKING PHIL'S A$$ ALL OVER THIS THREAD.
Where are you, Phil? Are you out of FACTS? Where are YOUR FACTS, barry? Don't you have anything else to offer except little one-liners? You guys are getting There's just no other way to describe it. Nice going Bryan. Keep it up, they're on the run. |
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Originally Posted by barry2952
Now you've taken to answering your own posts like Vitas.
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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
No matter what the source of articles I post, you, bryan and calabrio will dismiss them because of that source. You all respond with articles from your own sources and view them as gospel. What is the point in discussing anything with a group who think that they have "won" the discussion by repeating over and over that my posts are invalid because of the source? I post articles of interest and op-eds that I agree with. I see no point in discussing with you the merits of those posts because you think that saying the source is invalid or verbally "bullying" posters creates a "win" for you. The way I see it, this administration has done great damage to this country. You can't or won't. I will continue to post articles and op-eds I find interesting as I know there are others who find them of interest as well. Don't like it? Don't read them and don't respond to them.
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
The New York Times. The United States version of Al-Jezeera. Wonderful.
The NYT. A traitorist organization if I ever saw one. |
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Originally Posted by fossten
Here, Phil, eat this:
John McCain: Bush Right to Use NSA Sen. John McCain disappointed Democrats on Capitol Hill on Sunday by defending the Bush administration's decision to use the National Security Agency to monitor a limited number of domestic phone calls in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. Saying that Sept. 11 "changed everything," McCain told ABC's "This Week": "The president, I think, has the right to do this." "We all know that since Sept. 11 we have new challenges with enemies that exist within the United States of America - so the equation has changed." McCain said that while the administration needs to explain why it didn't first seek approval from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, he suggested that the Patriot Act might have superseded the 1978 FISA Act, allowing "additional powers for the president." McCain said the fact that congressional leaders - including top Democrats - were consulted on the NSA authorization "is a very important part of this equation." He suggested that any congressional hearings into the Bush decision focus on that aspect. "I'd like to hear from the leaders of Congress, both Republican and Democrat, who, according to reports, we're briefed on this and agreed to it," he told "This Week." "They didn't raise any objection, apparently, to [whether] there was a, quote, violation of law." Asked about House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's claim that she "raised concerns" about granting the NSA new powers during one meeting with White House officials, McCain said: "I don't know about any meetings, but I certainly never heard complaints from anyone on either side of the aisle. "When this process was being carried out I would imagine that the leaders of Congress would be very concerned about any violation of law as well," he said. "Apparently [those concerns have] not been raised until it was published in the New York Times." McCain also warned that any congressional investigation should take care not to force additional disclosures from the White House that could help the enemy, saying: "I don't see anything wrong with congressional hearings but what kind of information are you going to put into the public arena that might help the al Qaida people in going undetected." http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/18/142705.shtml |
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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
Don't have to go any further than the top of this thread to see your crew attack the source, fossten. Keep deluding yourself. The wheels of justice move slowly, but we are finally starting to see just how much the Repugs have abused the monopoly they have on control of the house, senate and white house. Abramoff, along with Delay and Plamegate are just the beginning.
There is nothing wrong with the president using FISA, the problem is with how he used it. He circumvented the courts every(?) time which is what is the most disturbing about this revelation. The courts have a good record of approving the wiretap requests under this act, there was no reason to bypass the courts. They are allowed to start wiretaps immediately in cases of emergencies and apply for the warrant within 72 hours, but this was not done. |
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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
YOU show YOUR Hypocrasy by Calling McCain a traitor in one thread and then using him to defend what Shrub has done in another!!
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Originally Posted by barry2952
I don't have a problem with the NSA using wiretaps. I do have a problem with them abusing the tool.
Am I to understand that the President has to give direct authorization and it has only been used 30 times, or has the permit to use unlimited wiretaps been renewed 30 times? That's unclear to me. |
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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
No matter what the source of articles I post, you, bryan and calabrio will dismiss them because of that source. You all respond with articles from your own sources and view them as gospel. What is the point in discussing anything with a group who think that they have "won" the discussion by repeating over and over that my posts are invalid because of the source? I post articles of interest and op-eds that I agree with. I see no point in discussing with you the merits of those posts because you think that saying the source is invalid or verbally "bullying" posters creates a "win" for you. The way I see it, this administration has done great damage to this country. You can't or won't. I will continue to post articles and op-eds I find interesting as I know there are others who find them of interest as well. Don't like it? Don't read them and don't respond to them.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
YOU and your crapservative contingent here claim that WMDs were NOT the real reason we went to Iraq, and that it was to "spread democracy" and all that other baloney.
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Originally Posted by RB3
Here's a news flash for you...Your articles are dismissed not only because of the source, but because they are a) provably factually incorrect, or b) contain no facts, only rumor, innuendo, and opinion. The source is cited primarily because your sources in the past have time and again been fact challenged or attempted to pass off opinion as fact.
The articles posted in response to you contain actual facts, and are further supported by the logical arguments of the poster. Your arguments consist primarily of calling everyone else names. I find it fascinating that you post "articles of interest and op-eds you agree with", because it is apparent that everything you post has one theme...America is to blame, America is wrong, America is evil. You embrace uncritically anything that indicts American business or American foreign policy and gleefully celebrate it. You say "the administration has done great damage to this country." Really? Is this what you're talking about: Because if it is, I'll agree with you...the Bush administration has indeed damaged this country by "spreading democracy and all that other baloney," bringing hope to others and greater security at home. And I'll welcome some more of that "damage." |
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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
No matter what the source of articles I post, you, bryan and calabrio will dismiss them because of that source. You all respond with articles from your own sources and view them as gospel. What is the point in discussing anything with a group who think that they have "won" the discussion by repeating over and over that my posts are invalid because of the source? I post articles of interest and op-eds that I agree with. I see no point in discussing with you the merits of those posts because you think that saying the source is invalid or verbally "bullying" posters creates a "win" for you. The way I see it, this administration has done great damage to this country. You can't or won't. I will continue to post articles and op-eds I find interesting as I know there are others who find them of interest as well. Don't like it? Don't read them and don't respond to them.
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Originally Posted by fossten
How about your OWN source, the New York Times???
N.Y. Times, Get Your N.S.A. Stories Straight Posted by Mithridate Ombud on December 20, 2005 - 13:32. Dear journalists of the New York Times, Perhaps you'd like to take a few moments to gather yourselves and figure out which of your stories are correct and which stories are politically motivated fabrications of the truth. COURT SAYS U.S. SPY AGENCY CAN TAP OVERSEAS MESSAGES By DAVID BURNHAM, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES (NYT) 1051 words Published: November 7, 1982 A Federal appeals court has ruled that the National Security Agency may lawfully intercept messages between United States citizens and people overseas, even if there is no cause to believe the Americans are foreign agents, and then provide summaries of these messages to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Because the National Security Agency is among the largest and most secretive intelligence agencies and because millions of electronic messages enter and leave the United States each day, lawyers familiar with the intelligence agency consider the decision to mark a significant increase in the legal authority of the Government to keep track of its citizens. Reverses 1979 Ruling The Oct. 21 decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit involves the Government's surveillance of a Michiganborn lawyer, Abdeen Jabara, who for many years has represented Arab-American citizens and alien residents in court. Some of his clients had been investigated by the F.B.I. Mr. Jabara sued the F.B.I, and the National Security Agency, and in 1979 Federal District Judge Ralph M. Freeman ruled that the agency's acquisition of several of Mr. Jabara's overseas messages violated his Fourth Amendment right to be free of ''unreasonable searches and seizures.'' Last month's decision reverses that ruling. In earlier court proceedings, the F.B.I. acknowledged that it then disseminated the information to 17 other law-enforcement or intelligence agencies and three foreign governments. The opinion of the three-judge panel of the Court of Appeals held, ''The simple fact remains that the N.S.A. lawfully acquired Jabara's messages.'' The court ruled further that the lawyer's Fourth Amendment rights ''were not violated when summaries of his overseas telegraphic messages'' were furnished to the investigative bureau ''irrespective of whether there was reasonable cause to believe that he was a foreign agent.'' Boy Phil, if I were you I'd be really tired of being ![]() |
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Originally Posted by RB3
Here's a news flash for you...Your articles are dismissed not only because of the source, but because they are a) provably factually incorrect, or b) contain no facts, only rumor, innuendo, and opinion. The source is cited primarily because your sources in the past have time and again been fact challenged or attempted to pass off opinion as fact.
The articles posted in response to you contain actual facts, and are further supported by the logical arguments of the poster. |
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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
In Summary, The Repug method of addressing a post is:
A: YOUR articles are wrong because they make (Choose one) Me, My Guy, My Party look bad, so your sources must be spreading lies and rumors. |
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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
B: My articles are always right because they come from: Fox News, Drudge or some other site of my choosing that I have decided is infallible.
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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
C:And just to help prove the point, highlight all posts with personal attacks and sarcasm, questioning your intelligence and calling you names.
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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc
Think that about covers the techniques I've seen here. Problem is, doesn't make your case any stronger, only makes you seem more insecure.
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Originally Posted by RB3
Here's a news flash for you...Your articles are dismissed not only because of the source, but because they are a) provably factually incorrect, or b) contain no facts, only rumor, innuendo, and opinion. The source is cited primarily because your sources in the past have time and again been fact challenged or attempted to pass off opinion as fact.
The articles posted in response to you contain actual facts, and are further supported by the logical arguments of the poster. Your arguments consist primarily of calling everyone else names. I find it fascinating that you post "articles of interest and op-eds you agree with", because it is apparent that everything you post has one theme...America is to blame, America is wrong, America is evil. You embrace uncritically anything that indicts American business or American foreign policy and gleefully celebrate it. You say "the administration has done great damage to this country." Really? Is this what you're talking about: Because if it is, I'll agree with you...the Bush administration has indeed damaged this country by "spreading democracy and all that other baloney," bringing hope to others and greater security at home. And I'll welcome some more of that "damage." |
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
Whenever I quote Scott Ott, one must put up the "Satire Alert" sign. Some people believe everything they read in the news.
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Originally Posted by fossten
Ok, no prob. BTW, your avatar rocks.
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Originally Posted by fossten
December 21, 2005
Qaeda Relocates to U.S. for Spy-Free Calling by Scott Ott |
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Originally Posted by ToddG
Wow, RB, you could fill in for Limbaugh -- seriously! That's excellent, well done!
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
I'm just kidding. It is just that what Scott writes is what should be said about the jack the left says and does. The guy nails them time and again. Truly a gifted satirist. One of my fav sites on the net. The people that comment on his threads are pretty funny too sometimes.
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