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gen2 peice of SHlT please help

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Posted by: aggiestckl

its 16* outside in Pennsylvania and my peice of

wont start. I have ngk plugs gapped to .054 already.. could it possibly be the plugs ? I changed them in september at the latest.. Also were is the cheapest place to get the IAC valve, and does anyone think its this. Also before someone says this I USED THE SEARCH and have read the posts about this, but they did not help, its obviously not the plugs were should I look next.. Im guessing it wont throw a code either, and why does this even happen? My mark is begining to bring truth to the horror stories of american cars... I guess i still love it any help please

Posted by: aggiestckl

will i find the iac valve for less than 53 bucks? and are auto lites really that much better than the ngk... the car started this morning when it was 13* out but not now... really a pain in the @ss

Posted by: MrWilson

dont know what your problem is sorry, but its not all american cars that are crap, just mark8's

. They are ALWAYS the exception to the rule.

Posted by: pepperman

Some times the extreme cold can zap a battery causing the car not to start, just a suggestion!!!!!

Posted by: aggiestckl

ha replaced the battery and alternator in august 2 weeks after i bought the car.... stupid peice of ghetto sh*t

Posted by: aggiestckl

any other sensors to test?

Posted by: buddylee

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWilson

dont know what your problem is sorry, but its not all american cars that are crap, just mark8's

. They are ALWAYS the exception to the rule.

slap your self.
Any mercedes or bmw will spend 3 times as much time in the shop as american cars in its life

Posted by: aggiestckl

The only thing i put into my SLK while i had it was a battery in 2 years... 60 bucks... Lincoln, well lets see had it since august - Battery, 2 alternators, wheel speed sensors, idler and tensioner pulley, 2 belts cuz apparantly napa ones are b.s., and it still needs rear upper shock mounts... hmm not too bad for 4 months of owning the car.. Lincoln Mark P.O.S. ......... but seriously i need some help on starting the car, not a war about domestic vs foreign cars even though i knew I was askin for it... come on guys is the only fix to buy a heated garage? Help me out........

Posted by: Calabrio

"It won't start" isn't really a good description to get diagnostic advice from.

Posted by: LSCGODDESS98

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggiestckl

its 16* outside in Pennsylvania and my peice of

EXCUSE ME????

IM CERTAIN YOU HAVENT LEARNED OR EXPERIANCED LINCOLNS LONG ENOUGH ESPECIALLY THIS KIND BEFORE FOR YOU TO CALL IT A PEICE OF SHIITT, I HAVE A 98' MARK 8 LSC AND I HAVENT HAD THIS PROBLEM,(IM NOT SAYIN I'LL EVER WILL) BUT,I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION...DO YOU PARK UR'S IN THE GARAGE OVER NIGHT, (IF YOU HAVE ONE) OR DO YOU JUST HAVE IT PARKED OUTSIDE IN THE RAW ELEMENTS DURRING THE WINTER?
THESE CARS HAVE SENSORS THAT WEAR OUT,AND PARTS THAT R SENSITIVE TO CLIMATE CHANGES,UNLIKE SOME CAR THAT DONT HAVE AS MUCH SENSORS AND SUCH. THINK OF YOUR SELF BEING OUT IN THE COLD! ( LOL, THEY FEEL TOO) , I PARK MINE IN THE GARAGE AND SO FAR,I HAVENT ENCOUNTERED SUCH ISSUES,(AGAIN NOT SAYIN I'LL EVER WOULD,) BUT MAYBE IT WAS TIME TO MAINTAIN IT AND YOU HAVENT GOTTEN TO IT BEFORE IT GOT THIS FAR.

Posted by: LSCGODDESS98

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddylee

slap your self.
Any mercedes or bmw will spend 3 times as much time in the shop as american cars in its life

THANNNNNNNK YOU! ...

Posted by: MonsterMark

It's tough to lend a hand to a guy that thinks his (ours) car is a p.o.s.

That said,

Have you checked the crank sensor for a no-start scenario? It may be that the cold is messing with the connector wire.

The AIT or the CTS (coolant temp sensor) could also be on the fritz. Gen2s have a tendency to flood in cold weather. Weak battery will do it, so will bad plugs in addition to the sensors.

For the time it takes, 15-20 minutes on a COP Gen2, I would change the plugs again. Go with the Autolites. I spent 2 months of my life trying to deal with the under 20 degree problem. Autolites fixed ME up. Not saying that is your problem but for $8.00 at WalMart, why not.

Posted by: LSCGODDESS98

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggiestckl

ha replaced the battery and alternator in august 2 weeks after i bought the car.... stupid peice of ghetto sh*t

BITE YOUR TOUNG !!!!!!

Posted by: LSCGODDESS98

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggiestckl

ha replaced the battery and alternator in august 2 weeks after i bought the car.... stupid peice of ghetto sh*t

LOL,GEZZZ HOW WOULD I KNOW THAT KIND OF TALK WOULD COME FROM A 20 YR OLD...((((LOL)))) IT'S OBVIOUS YOU HAVENT HAD ENOUGH EXPERI WITH CARS...MY SUGGESTION DRIVE DIFFERENTS CARS FOR YOUR AGE AND KICK AROUND IN IT UNTILL YOU GAIN EXPERIANCE,BEFORE UPGRADING TO A LUX CAR SUCH AS A LINCOLN MARK 8,THESE CARS ARE FOR EXPERIANCED DRIVERS WHO ALREADY KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN PURCHASING ONE.THEN YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND HOW TO DEAL WITH ISSUES,WITH OUT CALLING THIS TYPE OF CAR WHICH WAS PROBLY NEGLECTED TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, BEFORE YOU GETTING IT, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU GOT STUCK WITH SOMEONE ELSES PROBLEMS WHICH POSSABLY THEY GAVE UP OR COULNDNT AFFORD TO HANDLE...(WONDER IF HE /SHE WAS A 20 YR OLD ...HEHEHEHE)

Posted by: LSCGODDESS98

Oops Did A Dup On The Last Post...sorry...

Posted by: JoeyLincolnMK8

what is the cold cranking amps on your battery? go with a 1000 CCA battery believe me, it is worth every penny! had my mark in NY last year before i moved, car started right up everyday even at 6 in the morn!

Posted by: 1996mark8green

can i ask does it star with starting fluid
if so i had a brand new tpi switch that gave me hell told car the thing was half open that was after i replaced the iac valve and accedentlly let iac unpluged and it started right up but well hell now i have a new iac valve

Posted by: pepperman

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggiestckl

ha replaced the battery and alternator in august 2 weeks after i bought the car.... stupid peice of ghetto sh*t

That doesn't matter the extreme cold can still zap even a new battery!!!!!

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepperman

That doesn't matter the extreme cold can still zap even a new battery!!!!!

I didn't once have a dead battery in Michigan, and we went weeks without getting above freezing. I moved here and the battery died when it was 60 degrees out, go figure.

Posted by: 67Continental

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggiestckl

The only thing i put into my SLK while i had it was a battery in 2 years... 60 bucks... Lincoln, well lets see had it since august - Battery, 2 alternators, wheel speed sensors, idler and tensioner pulley, 2 belts cuz apparantly napa ones are b.s., and it still needs rear upper shock mounts... hmm not too bad for 4 months of owning the car.. Lincoln Mark P.O.S. ......... but seriously i need some help on starting the car, not a war about domestic vs foreign cars even though i knew I was askin for it... come on guys is the only fix to buy a heated garage? Help me out........

how old was your SLK? compared to your mark? because i put 15 THOUSAND into my S Class before I moved on.

Posted by: 67Continental

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggiestckl

you don't need a heated garage, I drove my Mark all last winter, and in Montreal it gets to be -49....

Posted by: Moes8

if the reason gen 2's struggle in the extreme cold is because of flooding.i suggest that until you (we) find the cause you can try starting the car by first holding your gas pedal ALL the way down,then crank over the engine,if it is a flooding problem this should help it start,holding a fuel injected car to the floor turns off the injectors.

like i said ,this might help you till you figure it out,only takes a few seconds to try.

ps.remember to immediately lift your foot of the pedal if it starts,lol

Posted by: aggiestckl

geez everyone takes the comments to heart about the mark here... I like the car alot, and although im 20 im no expert but to say "step back buy a honda for now ur too young" come on get serious.. I dont think anyone who's mark left them to walk 2 miles in 16* weather would have nice things to say about it that day.. that being said sorry if i hurt all your feelings, but i still stand behind what i say the car is an extreme pain in the ass but i still dont want a diff one as of yet.. So sorry to all the lincoln extremest i pissed off... im just lookin for a little help... tried to hold it to the floor did not work.. i just replaced the plugs but i guess im gonna go with some autolite 764's and try.. if not that were should i look next.. IAC sensor about intake?

Posted by: bufordtpisser

It takes two things to make an internal combustion engine run.
1. Fuel (in the correct air fuel ratio)
2. Spark (Delivered at the correct time and strong enough)

So if the car won't start one of these is missing or in the case of the flooded condition, too much. I also live in good old PA and yesterday it was 3, yes 3 degrees when I went out to start my car. My 96 takes a little longer to start in the cold, but it does start. I use an Optima Yellow Top deep cycle, because it never fails. Whether or not you just replaced your battery a few months ago, cold weather will make weak components fail. Just last night I had to jump start a Cadillac in front of the auto parts store. His battery was good, his alternator was good, had spark, and fuel. Also had a bad connection on one of the wires that after it was tightened started on its own.

Check for spark, check for fuel. If both are there, it will start unless the plugs are fouled.

Posted by: MrWilson

is it such an aweful thought that lincoln made some krappi marks? apparently aggiestckl got one, and so did i

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I doubt its the IAC. My 96 started fine with a bad IAC. It would idle up and drop off,idle up and drop off, but not ussually die. Buford is right your missing one or the other. Assuming the car is turning over somewhat at a normal rate.
It is possible you flooded it. Holding the peddle down NOW won't work if the plugs are fuel soaked. When its cold they foul easier I believe and don't dry off over a short period of time like summer. Don't Lose your cool or you'll have more problems. Dead battery, etc.

Posted by: bufordtpisser

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWilson

is it such an aweful thought that lincoln made some krappi marks? apparently aggiestckl got one, and so did i

Mr Wilson, is it at all possible that it is not a crappy Lincoln, but a driver who disrespects his car?? I drive my Lincoln very hard, as do a lot of other drivers on this board. I do not however beat it. I treat my car with utmost respect. When I drive it hard, I drive a few extra miles to make sure that the engine has time to come back down to normal operating temperature, and the brakes have sufficient time to cool. In other word, I do not ride it hard and park it wet. That is for horses and woman. (No offense Debi.)

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

recheck everything, come on calling your car a piece of crap is wrong, you bought your car used the person probly had everything going at once to kill the alt and once the alt is died it dont take long to kill the battery, they got billion dollar space craft that are design by rocket scientist that blow up 3 seconds after launch or wont start. I never rplace my alt till last week, that alt lasted the car 12 years

Posted by: JoeyLincolnMK8

you know it could of been the previous owner totally not giving a crap about it, not fixing that need to be fixed? but just put it this way, once you fix and get things changed, believe me you will not have these problems... unfortuantly you have to drop money on it, which does suck when you have a used car.

Posted by: Calabrio

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWilson

is it such an aweful thought that lincoln made some krappi marks? apparently aggiestckl got one, and so did i

I thought your problem was limited to the fact you couldn't figure out how to read the instructive decal explaining out to refill your coolant system? What else is wrong with it?

Oh- and you routinely beat the hell out of that car.

Posted by: aggiestckl

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSCGODDESS98

First things first me being 20 doesnt have anything to do with anything.. Ive done a 350 swap in my s10 so i think ive got some kind of knowledge about cars.. that being said a sbc is no were near as complicated as the one in the mark. Im sorry i dont have all the knowledge on a car i just bought less than 6 mths ago.. Im still learning and I thought thats what this forum was for? When ur car leaves you to walk a few miles when its below 20 and sleat and snow are falling i dont think you would have the greatest things to say about it. Oh and prior owner 60+ with all documentation of work performed on car, all serviced on time and done at Landsdale Lincoln...

All im asking for is some information and not a ball busting contest, I tried the autolite 764 gapped to .054 no success.. I tried to spray starting fluid in the intake, no success.. I really dont feel like taking this to the stealership just yet.. If i get my battery tested what should it be at... Like i said i doubt its the battery cuz with all the cranking its still not dead but i could be wong... If its not the battery, not the plugs, starting fluid doesnt work, whats left?? It took a little while to start it yesterday, then yesterday late afternoon would not start at all.... So any suggestions besides buying a heated garage, buying a honda cuz im 20 and have no were near enough knowledge for my 8 year old lincoln

Posted by: LSCGODDESS98

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggiestckl

geez everyone takes the comments to heart about the mark here... I like the car alot, and although im 20 im no expert but to say "step back buy a honda for now ur too young" come on get serious.. I dont think anyone who's mark left them to walk 2 miles in 16* weather would have nice things to say about it that day.. that being said sorry if i hurt all your feelings, but i still stand behind what i say the car is an extreme pain in the ass but i still dont want a diff one as of yet.. So sorry to all the lincoln extremest i pissed off... im just lookin for a little help... tried to hold it to the floor did not work.. i just replaced the plugs but i guess im gonna go with some autolite 764's and try.. if not that were should i look next.. IAC sensor about intake?

AHH COME ON NOW... YOU WANT US TO FEEL BAD FOR YOU WALKIN 2 MILES OR MORE BECAUSE YOUR MARK PISSED ON YOU..LOOK EVERY CAR DOES THIS TO PEOPLE WEATYHER OR NOT IT A MARK OR A YUGO...AND EVERY CAR IS A PAIN IN THE ASS...SUCK IT UP BABY! IF YOU WANNA PLAY YOU GOTTA PAY!!!!

Posted by: aggiestckl

Dont feel bad for me at all im just telling you why i trashed on the car so bad... I like the mark alot, i bought it over a cadillac sts and an eldorado it just seems to be that its a lemon, ive got a friend who has one and drives like a senior citizen and his still has all kinds of probs, and cuz im young doesnt mean i dont know how to take care of the car or im incompitent. im not tryin to start some kind of war just that it seems the mark could have alot of recalls or updates that could be done..

ANYWAYS FIGURED OUT THE PROB it was the cps i guess cuz i tried to wiggle it and it started right up.. It takes a man to know when he was wrong, sorry if i offended anyone, this site has been nothing but great help and full of great knowledgable people. I read up on a post 94m5 wrote and id like to say that youve contributed alot of great info and would like to thank you for all the step by step help you give day in and day out.. that goes for everyone else, sometimes ones frustrations cause them to lash out.. Being 20 doesnt make u less or more knowledgable last time i checked, im just tryin to learn as I go so bear with me.. Thanks again -Glenn

Posted by: pepperman

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggiestckl

Dont feel bad for me at all im just telling you why i trashed on the car so bad... I like the mark alot, i bought it over a cadillac sts and an eldorado it just seems to be that its a lemon, ive got a friend who has one and drives like a senior citizen and his still has all kinds of probs, and cuz im young doesnt mean i dont know how to take care of the car or im incompitent. im not tryin to start some kind of war just that it seems the mark could have alot of recalls or updates that could be done..

ANYWAYS FIGURED OUT THE PROB it was the cps i guess cuz i tried to wiggle it and it started right up.. It takes a man to know when he was wrong, sorry if i offended anyone, this site has been nothing but great help and full of great knowledgable people. I read up on a post 94m5 wrote and id like to say that youve contributed alot of great info and would like to thank you for all the step by step help you give day in and day out.. that goes for everyone else, sometimes ones frustrations cause them to lash out.. Being 20 doesnt make u less or more knowledgable last time i checked, im just tryin to learn as I go so bear with me.. Thanks again -Glenn

Glad to hear that you figured it out, Congrats!!!!

Posted by: JC1994

door handle,air ride,oil filter adapter/coolant inlet gasket are the only problems I have had in 6 years and 60,000 miles, IMO it's far from a piece of crap. probably the most reliable car I have owned. all cars break from time to time,my mom's honda was always in the shop.

Posted by: 94m5

I don't really think this is helping aggie's situation any, so I'll add my opinion to the mix. Please DO NOT use starting fluid on these engines. (bad things happen in a BIG hurry using ether to kick it over) Get you a set of autolite 764's @ .054, check your fuel pressure, and make sure your batttery is good.

The pump in my 94 is about shot and is a BITCH to start in the morning, and is even worse with the recent cold weather. My 98 starts just fine, I put a set of 764's in it, checked the fuel pressure, and made damned sure the battery and all of the cables were tight. (you may even check the COP boots)

As has been said before, the gen 2's are just a little finikey when it comes to cold weather, and needs to be double checked for winter time. Everyone has trouble now and then, and at times I wish I could talk myself into selling all 3 and buying something new (with a warranty). But then I put my foot down on the throttle, while sitting (on what seems to be) My living room chair.

Mike

Posted by: Dominus

All cars have problems, please don't resort to thinking of your car as a piece of crap just because you had one. I have owned more german cars than American cars, and let me tell you, a german car is far from being the solution to reliability.

When you have a problem with your car, stand back, take a deep breath, and just think. The answer will usually come to you quite quickly if you have the knowledge you say you do. Most importantly, do preventive maintinence. Old men 60+ don't have a lot of foresight in many occasions. They don't say to themselves "hey, this sensor is old, but pretty important and very easy to replace, let me just take care of this right now and save myself some trouble". Be proactive, especially when it comes to the cold.

You purchased 2 alternators? I'll tell you why, because you bought some piee of crap parts store reman, didn't you? I'm surprised when a reman alternator DOESN'T have to be replaced at least once. Don't bitch if you didn't buy factory and it came out bad.

2 belts from NAPA eh? Knowledge is power. Buy Goodyear Gatorback or go home.

2 batteries? Be honest, did you buy yourself a good battery, or did you buy "the special" or a so-called "Die-Hard"? If you did, again, I'm not surprised you had to purchase a new one shortly after. Optima yellow-tops are your friend. I purchased a yellow top 4 years ago, and used it in 3 different cars. No complaints.

I have owned 5 cars in my life, and would you believe that none of them have ever left me stranded? Know your car, know your parts, and don't cheap out.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

That said,

Have you checked the crank sensor for a no-start scenario? It may be that the cold is messing with the connector wire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggiestckl

ANYWAYS FIGURED OUT THE PROB it was the cps i guess cuz i tried to wiggle it and it started right up..

Glad you figured it out.

Apology accepted too. Now go enjoy what is truly a great car. I've been driving em for over 10 years and count less than 10 repairs after 3 cars and 290,000 miles.

Posted by: JC1994

Glad to hear you got her running. nothing will make you madder than when it's freezing cold and your car won't start

I have cussed and screamed at some of my other cars for the same thing.

Posted by: lincolnboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC1994

Glad to hear you got her running. nothing will make you madder than when it's freezing cold and your car won't start

I have cussed and screamed at some of my other cars for the same thing.

What other cars have you had.......... MY MARK IS A

ING PIECE TOOOO....

Posted by: aggiestckl

I owned a 97 SLK (hand me down), 2002 Gmc sonoma with a 383 stroker in it, 1997 mark

Posted by: Bluesman73

Man, you guy's are funny. However, back to the problem. Does the car try and turn over? Does it make any funny noises? Does the fuel pump prime? When was the last time you changed your fuel filter? You need to find some buddies with some gauges and check for spark and proper fuel pressure. Without some more descriptive descriptions about your problem it makes it hard to help you out especially since none of us are there to witness your problems first hand.

Posted by: LSCGODDESS98

Allrighty...now We're Talking!

Posted by: mespock

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott9050

I didn't once have a dead battery in Michigan, and we went weeks without getting above freezing. I moved here and the battery died when it was 60 degrees out, go figure.

Hey Scott... This Dec. In SW, WI Temps have been above 30 degrees only once and for most days below 20 degrees.. Both of my Mark VIIIs have no problems starting in the cold.

Cranking amps!!! Just because it's a new battery means

... If you went cheap and bought a battery that can't crank in the cold.

What about your fuel pump? When the fuel pump went on my 93 it just stopped... Wife drove the car to a friends house then went out and it didn't start. It would crank but go fire.

Also - Piece of $hit? You have a car the is almost 10 years old. probably 100,000 miles or close. Wouldn't you think that something might be wearing out?

We all experience problems with our Mark VIII basically for that reason. They are old cars. But if you take care of them replace the worn out parts then they will run as good as new and for many 100,000s miles. My 93 has almost 200,000 miles. I owe nothing on it. Every so often I have to repalce a $100 part sometimes a $300 part. I still pay less to keep her running than I would if I was making payments on a newer car and then also fixing worn out parts.

I have 3 Cars that I would not fret driving across country. All three have over 100,000 miles... Don't call them pieces of $hit!! Any car that could run like they do for that many miles are not a piece of $hit.

Posted by: 2002WRXSTi

My car had a bad IAC but it always started. It would die if I didn't keep feathering the gas until it got some heat in the engine though.

BTW I got a new IAC at AutoZone for I think $35 or so? Check out the price online.

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