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2006 V8 only?

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Posted by: TonyLS

Did Lincoln dump the V6 for the 2006 LS models?

Posted by: 02V8Sport

its gone, V8 baby!

Posted by: FreeFaller

and it only comes in LSE trim.

Posted by: LennDawg

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Originally Posted by FreeFaller

and it only comes in LSE trim.

ive yet to see one in a color other than black too...

Posted by: JoeyLincolnMK8

i have seen it in white.

Posted by: 02V8Sport

Brought the 04 in for service at my dealer and seen every 2006 LSE color. They all look awesome!

Posted by: lexmarkz00

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Originally Posted by LennDawg

ive yet to see one in a color other than black too...

mine is pearl

Posted by: 02V8Sport

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Originally Posted by lexmarkz00

mine is pearl

That is one BAD ASS looking car!!

Posted by: rooter

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Originally Posted by FreeFaller

and it only comes in LSE trim.

Pardon my ignorance, but when I ordered my '06 it was available in only one trim level, V8 Sport. In previous years, LSE and Sport were different trim levels weren't they? In another thread, I believe it was mentioned that the LSE trim level consisted mainly of exterior design cues/parts. So is the '06 "V8 Sport" some kind of combination of Sport (interior? suspension?) and LSE trim levels from previous years?

Posted by: rooter

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Originally Posted by 02V8Sport

Brought the 04 in for service at my dealer and seen every 2006 LSE color. They all look awesome!

What did Pewter look like? I couldn't find one on a lot before I had to put my order in so I had to go off the color chip in the brochure. It appears to be a medium grey metallic with a steel bluish accent? It was the only new-for-'06 color I could order.

Posted by: SoonerLS

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Originally Posted by rooter

The Sport is the only model available for '06, but they all come with what was, more or less, previously the LSE appearance package. The '06 LS comes with body-colored lower cladding (previously, it was black near the bottom); it has the LSE lower grille opening; and it has the round fog lamps of the LSE package (previously, the non-LSE fog lamps were oblong).

Posted by: rooter

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Originally Posted by SoonerLS

Ah, I see--thanks. Is the body-color grille surround an LSE-thing also?

Posted by: ToddG

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Originally Posted by rooter

Ah, I see--thanks. Is the body-color grille surround an LSE-thing also?

Yes, it was available on the LSE models in 2004 and 2005.

The only trim level is "V8 Sport", and they all have the LSE-like front air dam, side skirts, and rear valance. The front grille and rear license plate surround are body-color. The interior trim is aluminum, but you can get two option packages ("Premium" and "Elite"), which will exchange the aluminum for real wood.

I don't know if I like the monochromatic look. I think the car needs some bits of chrome. The lease for my 03 runs out in April, but I'm not sure I want another LS if this is the only way you can get it. I'm currently looking at alternatives, and the Infiniti M35 is at the top of my list.

Posted by: captainalias

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Originally Posted by ToddG

Are you sure it's real wood? Looks more like plastic....

Posted by: SoonerLS

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Originally Posted by captainalias

Are you sure it's real wood? Looks more like plastic....

Yeah, it's American Walnut burl. It's just the finish they have to put on the wood that makes it look plastic. The kinds of finishes used in furnituremaking wouldn't stand up to the temperature differentials and UV damage seen in the interior of a car.

Posted by: ToddG

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Originally Posted by captainalias

Are you sure it's real wood? Looks more like plastic....

Yes, as Sooner pointed out, it's real wood. It was originally plastic wood in the 2000-2002 models, but was upgraded to real wood in the 2003+ models.

Amazingly, real wood interior trim is also used in the new Mark LT truck. However, I checked out a Mark LT at the New York Auto Show last year, and could have sworn it was plastic. I mean, it looked really fake! It's sad when a beautiful natural material is treated for use in an automobile and comes out looking like some manufactured synthetic crap.

Posted by: rooter

When fake woodgrain follows unnatural curves and surfaces it sticks out like a sore thumb to me. It sounds like if they ever get that right real wood's days might be numbered. I'm not a fan of wood trim, but I can appreciate the touch of class it brings when executed tastefully (read: sparingly, as in accents).

Posted by: jac_hms

i think they dumped the V6 because the new Zephyr now if you want a lincoln with a V6 buy the zephyr

Posted by: SoonerLS

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Originally Posted by jac_hms

i think they dumped the V6 because the new Zephyr now if you want a lincoln with a V6 buy the zephyr

I'd say that's partly it, but I'd guess that most of it was that they had other (read: profitable) uses for the Duratec V6es. Rather than put them into the last year of a dead model, they can use them (and/or their components) in one of the other Duratec-powered cars that isn't hemorrhaging cash; it also frees up engine production space for other Duratecs. Further, it greatly simplifies (read: decreases costs of) production by going to one drivetrain. The LS has reportedly been a money-loser for Lincoln, so the object of the exercise would be to limit the losses in the final year of production.

Posted by: beaups

sell the higher margin version and get rid of all the 3.9L components lying around. Olds did this w/my aurora when they died too (get rid of the 4.0L engine stuff since it's not in other cars)

Posted by: SoonerLS

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Originally Posted by beaups

sell the higher margin version and get rid of all the 3.9L components lying around. Olds did this w/my aurora when they died too (get rid of the 4.0L engine stuff since it's not in other cars)

That works unless you have a stock of 3.9l components already produced, since nothing else in the Ford fold uses them. The Duratecs, on the other hand, are used in everything, including the new Zephyr. (There's even a company in the UK that builds performance drivetrains using Duratecs; the Noble supercar uses a Duratec engine that they supply.)

Posted by: beaups

that's my point. build all 3.9's to get rid of all those engine components. what else would they do w/them?

Posted by: SoonerLS

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Originally Posted by beaups

that's my point. build all 3.9's to get rid of all those engine components. what else would they do w/them?

My apologies; I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying they should ditch the 3.9 and just sell the V6 (which would probably be the higher-margin car, since the Duratecs are almost certainly much less expensive to build than the single-use 3.9).

Posted by: beaups

from a pure p/l standpoint the 3.9 is probably cheaper to build assuming the parts are there. IMO they're paid for and awaiting a writeoff so from a GAAP stanpoint they might as well be free.

Posted by: TonyLS

I haven't been following what lincoln is planning for future models. It sounds like 2006 is the last model year for the LS, true? Can the Zephyer compare to the LS interms of performance and handling? Is lincoln giving up on the euro sport sedan market?

My opinion is that the LS is a great car to drive. I've driven many bmw 325 models and have to say that I rather be behind the wheel of an LS.

I'm going to hate to see it go...

04LS

Posted by: LS4me

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Originally Posted by TonyLS

I haven't been following what lincoln is planning for future models. It sounds like 2006 is the last model year for the LS, true? Can the Zephyer compare to the LS interms of performance and handling? Is lincoln giving up on the euro sport sedan market?

My opinion is that the LS is a great car to drive. I've driven many bmw 325 models and have to say that I rather be behind the wheel of an LS.

I'm going to hate to see it go...

04LS

Yes

No, the Zepher is just another FWD appliance, comparable to the Lexus ES3XX

Yes

In that order. Sad, isn't it? Lincoln had a chance to do something special with the LS and they totally dropped the ball!

Posted by: captainalias

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Originally Posted by ToddG

the wood on the zephyr looks amazing though, very genuine.

Posted by: SoonerLS

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Originally Posted by beaups

from a pure p/l standpoint the 3.9 is probably cheaper to build assuming the parts are there. IMO they're paid for and awaiting a writeoff so from a GAAP stanpoint they might as well be free.

Duratecs have to be cheaper to build--Ford uses them in nearly everything they build, from the Mustang to the Zephyr to a whole host of European FoMoCo products. Not only are their devlopment costs paid, but they have the "economies of scale" factor to drive down the component costs.

Posted by: SoonerLS

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Originally Posted by TonyLS

The '06 MY is the last for the DEW-98 LS. There's supposed to be a replacement in '08, but it may or may not have the LS name. As you might guess from that, the Zephyr is not the LS replacement.

The LS replacement is supposed to be built on the Volvo-derived Ford D3 platform, will be AWD, and will be powered by an iteration of the Ford/Yamaha/Volvo 4.4l V8 that now powers the Volvo XC90.

Given the moves by the Europeans towards AWD cars, I think you could say that Lincoln hasn't quite abandoned that market yet.

Posted by: daves2000ls

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Originally Posted by SoonerLS

the 3.9 litre also goes into the tbird

Posted by: brentalan

2005 was the last model year for the T-bird

Posted by: rocket5979

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Originally Posted by lexmarkz00

mine is pearl

18 years old with a car that nice!?!?! Thats got to be a crime! hehe. Hey man real nice car ya got there. The things I would have done to have a car like that at 18. lol. Very sharp, take care of it.