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Supercharged Ls V8

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Posted by: ElLoco

damn QuickLS thats a bad ls bro i loved that burnout and admire all that effort and hard work. you still coming out with that kit i was reading about? id love to buy one just to show off lol

Posted by: Quik LS

Still talking with Geoff - he just moved his shop so needs a little time to settle in.

Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Any 1/4 mile slips to post. You made a post a while back that sounded like you did kinda.

I know the traction is got to be limited but still would like to see how she moved down a 1320.

Yep - need a little more practice and I'll post up some. The launch is still 'tricky'

Posted by: Gambini

jebus

Posted by: Sn8kbordin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quik LS

Yep - need a little more practice and I'll post up some. The launch is still 'tricky'

Can you run and post times of "race" 9+ PSI of boost or whatever setup AND "safe for everyday - X PSI" of boost setup?

Posted by: Nikollaj

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quik LS

yep - start at 10:30am this morning taking a break at 1pm

so here is the progress in 2 1/2 hours....
stopping for a beer...

i love your ls..,

Posted by: Thrust

I have a kenne bell 2.6 on my 04 cobra. I never thought about doing a blower on my ls, but now this is making me think.

Posted by: Sysco_2

Hey quick, really nice car man. I just bought a 00 LS 8 with the SST this past November. Was trying to find parts for it and had no luck until I stumbled on this forum! Thank god... I’m new to the LS but pretty decent and modifying cars. I have a 95 eclipse gsx that makes over 700whp with a Turbonetics T66.

I've been reading through this long thread and love your car. You must let me know if you end up releasing this kit because I will buy it guaranteed! I was just curious on a few things. These cars definitely need a LSD for the rear end and some type of shift kit for the SST. Are those available?? I couldn’t really find any info on them.

Here’s my race car, check it out... I took all the stickers off now though. Cops were starting to annoy me haha.

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fusea...deoid=14413425

Posted by: daves2000ls

Now I'm gonna have to go home and change pants before class. Sweet vid.

Posted by: sheepsoup

Lou, it has been a very VERY long time since I've spoken to you, but I just wanted to drop in and say hello. It looks as though things have finally come together on this project and I can't tell you how happy I am for you and the rest of the LS community!

I don't even know if I have ever posted here before, but some of you might remember me from LLSOC. I sold my LS to my parents a couple of years ago, and they are still driving it around. I continue to drool when I see it sitting in their garage, but it no longer has the 125 shot of nitrous or the SCT tune, so it's much tamer now than it was when I was behind the wheel.

I have since purchased a 2005 Audi S4 (sold in January of last year), a 1997 Defender 90, and a 1987 Buick Grand National. I posted pics of the GN on LLSOC, but here are some updated pics. Again Lou, it's really great to see that you still have the car and it has turned into everything we always dreamed it would! Hope you are doing well!

(9,367 original miles!)

Posted by: ILLS

And the plans for the GN are??????

Posted by: sheepsoup

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILLS

And the plans for the GN are??????

It's mostly done.

I replaced the turbo, torque converter, transmission, intercooler, fuel pump, fuel injectors, fuel pressure regulator, radiator, wastegate, and so on and so forth.

Everything visible without popping the hood is still 100% factory original though. Thanks for asking.

Posted by: Quik LS

good to hear from you.

awesome - that is one of the cars I have always loved. Have you been able to put your foot in it?

Not sure if you've seen the threads - but I also bought another one of my favorite 80's cars - > http://www.lotusespritforum.com/foru...w_item&CID=321

Posted by: sheepsoup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quik LS

good to hear from you.

awesome - that is one of the cars I have always loved. Have you been able to put your foot in it?

Not sure if you've seen the threads - but I also bought another one of my favorite 80's cars - > http://www.lotusespritforum.com/foru...w_item&CID=321

Yes, I saw the Lotus, and that is sweeet!

I have certainly been able to put my foot into the Buick. I've had it for nearly two years now, but I've only put about 40 miles on it this year. I took it to the track in Clarksville, TN last year and it ran 8.10 on the only pass with no spin on the launch. That was on 16 pounds of boost. It typically runs 18 psi which will be good for 7.90's or so, and at 20 it should be down around 7.60's. It's still very much a street car, so I'm happy with low to mid 11's in the quarter.

Have you gotten the LS down a track yet? That thing should run like a dream!

Still keeping it beautiful I see. I've got the '05 calendar here in front of me and things haven't changed much, which is great!

Posted by: NateRW21

Quik... Re-reading through the thread here... I'm kind of curious what happened to the prospects of selling this as a kit?

Posted by: Quik LS

still good, in fact we exchange parts lists last weekend. Geoff moved his shop over the last few months but is up and going now.

I am hoping to have something more formaing in about a month.

The issue will be - this will not be a simple afternoon bolt-on. It is a DIYer, but certainly you will have to work through some things - like making hoses, ...etc.

The positive is - it should have alot of options to piece and part. For example - with or without SC, with or without injectors, ...etc

I'll post up once we are there - hoping in September.

Posted by: NateRW21

and the prospects for gen II cars?

Posted by: ohioLS

I havent posted in a LONG time but I remember back in 05 when this all started! All I have to say is that is Nucking Futs, nice work indeed!

Posted by: Sn8kbordin

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohioLS

I havent posted in a LONG time but I remember back in 05 when this all started! All I have to say is that is Nucking Futs, nice work indeed!

Yeah, it is!
By now my LS is falling apart.

Guys super- and turbo charged 08 Pontiac G8 GT long time ago and it was sold since March 08 or so.

Posted by: antonio fuller

i like this car good work where can i get a grill like that from im in atlanta

Posted by: Sn8kbordin

Quote:

Originally Posted by antonio fuller

i like this car good work where can i get a grill like that from im in atlanta

Which grill are you talking about?

Posted by: Quik LS

here is a good thread on grills - > http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=22346

Posted by: Quik LS

Haven't posted in a while....

Here are a couple of pics of recent upgrades...

new injectors, dual fuel pumps. I am using two LS pumps, connected with J30R10 hose (it can be submerged in the tank) and a stainless steel wye. I had the extra pump on-hand - so this was more of an experiment.

I installed both pumps into the same resevior - to keep fuel around them (for both cooling ther pumps and keeps the pickups in gas while turning).

Posted by: LsUnV2

are we close . still up in the air about selling 00 ls

Posted by: ILLS

Nice work Lou.

Any reason you didn't go with a single Ford GT supercar pump? It would have supported the power you are making with ease. Those dual pumps are going to draw a good bit of amperage and I would be hesitant about running duals without at least some sort of wiring upgrade. I would also suggest drilling a few 1/4"-3/8" holes along the bottom/side of the plastic pump basket so that when the pumps are running at full speed they don't suck the basket dry and cause cavitation and potential fuel surge.

Please don't take it like I am critiquing the job you did, just offering a tip or two.

Posted by: Quik LS

nope no reason other than

Quote:

I had the extra pump on-hand - so this was more of an experiment

I did up the use to a 30amp, the wiring is rated for 40 - so I should be ok.

I pop into the Supercoupe and Lighting forums once in a while - and many of them are running dual pumps - > Saleen, Steeda, Brenspeed - http://www.steeda.com/products/dual_fuel_pump_s197.php

(I know it's a discussion in the modular ford forums you and I belong to)

Since I had one I used it. I also looked at installing it in the other tank - working it into the jet pump - but there was no design I could find where a better jet pump would push more into the engine feed, it simply drained the other tank faster - messing up the balancing.

Posted by: ILLS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quik LS

nope no reason other than
I did up the use to a 30amp, the wiring is rated for 40 - so I should be ok.

Thats cool. I can understand that. I try to reutilize the extra parts I have laying around before purchasing new if I can help it also. Though the wiring is rated to carry the amperage you will be pushing, you will usually see an advantage in the FPDC if you run bigger wire. I know that would require modifying the pump hat plug for thicker wire but it could be worth giving it a try if you run into issues.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quik LS

I pop into the Supercoupe and Lighting forums once in a while - and many of them are running dual pumps - > Saleen, Steeda, Brenspeed - http://www.steeda.com/products/dual_fuel_pump_s197.php

(I know it's a discussion in the modular ford forums you and I belong to)

Yeah, I remember the Modfords post you are referring to. Most people usually upgrade a few other items while installing dual pumps. FPDM, wiring, and fuel lines. Obviously the FPDM mod will not happen but the other two can. Just an option to pursue that will assist in better flow while lowering FPDC and gaining more effective range with dual pumps. In all the dual pump systems that I have either designed or modified I used 10ga wiring and ran separate circuits for each pump. It did help.

Like the price on that SAE30R10 line???

I remember people asking me in other forums if they had the right part number for that stuff when NAPA was screwing the orders up. They kept on asking me, "How will I know if I am ordering the correct thing?" My reply was, "If you think you got raped on the price then you probably got the right stuff.". After they placed their order they understood what I meant. Hehe.

Posted by: Quik LS

yep - is nasty expensive. I found another place for it - lightningforceperformance.com - not any cheaper but at least they have it, where NAPA often doesn't.

Posted by: Silver_LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by LsUnV2

still up in the air about selling 00 ls

WHAT!!! lol Is that a ? for Quik? or do you have a 00 your going to sell? I hope its the latter.

Posted by: Quik LS

yep very close. Instruction manual done, part list done.

Waiting on Geoff to 'bless' the instructions and give me the go ahead....

Posted by: daves2000ls

Quik's car is an 01, he has an 00 he's trying to sell.

Glad to see your still making forward progress. I don't recall if I've posted about the burnout vid. Very nice.

Posted by: Silver_LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by daves2000ls

Quik's car is an 01, he has an 00 he's trying to sell.

Thanks dave, and Quik for another update, lol I was a little worried all my saving was for nothing :P

I'm sure I may have asked this Quik... Is the kit going to have the option for including the Intake Manifold (I believe I need a custom one?) or am I on my own for that? thanks

Posted by: Quik LS

the idea is that all the custom pieces are part of the kit.

Posted by: Quik LS

Couple of updates:

First - relocated the IAT sensor.
I have been using the stock LS IAT in the stock location up to now. This has not been ideal, since the stock location is right behind the air filter - it has been measuring the temp of the air just as it enters the intake.

In my case, the air comes in, is boosted (roughly additional 18degrees hotter for every 1PSI of boost), then it passes through the air-to-air intercooler and cools down to 'something' before going into the engine. To the PCM has no idea what the 'real' intake temperature is.

I swapped in a standard T-Bird SuperCoupe IAT into the outlet plenum (stock location for the T-Bird SC) and then built a harness to plug into the factory IAT harness. I used my IR laser temperature gun (and ohm meter) to measure the stock LS IAT against the new one - at room temp, in the fridge, out in the sun - and they seemed to be pretty close.....

Second - I added a intercooler sprayer.
took a coolant tank, added a washer pump. Sprays through some hose out through some 'pot misters' from Home Depot. I trigger it through a relay and a push button from a WRX STI. I added a checkvalve to prevent the water from draining since washer pumps rely on gravity to prevent draining.

It's been a record year for number of days over 100 degrees...!

Posted by: PGA2B

Did you think about using the DEI or NOS Cryo ring?

P.S. My SC will be delivered back from Stiegemeier today!!

Posted by: Quik LS

yep - looked at them - the thoughts I got back from other folks were that since these basically freeze your IC repeatedly, the rapid temperature change from the 100+ degree Texas days, people end up cracking their IC after a short while.

I am getting pretty good results with my setup. I have the stock LS outside air temp, a temp sensor in the blower output hat, and the IAT sensor post intercooler. It's interesting to see 105 degrees outside, 255+ degrees output on the blower, and 115 degrees at the IAT.

Posted by: PGA2B

The power of Intercooling

Posted by: 00_slow_5spd_ls

quick, is that a scanner i see, or a ham radio

Posted by: Quik LS

oops - yes sir.

Pro-96 - Austin is one of the few areas that use the Digital Trunking setup - so you gotta go $$$

Posted by: Sowpoke

Hey all,

Been watching this thread over the past few years. Just thought I'd chime in beig I do allot of work with the m90's

I currently have a few m90 equipped 3.8's and a 4.6.

I realize you had some stuff done to the m90 (porting coated rotors perhaps)

Here is what I can tell you.

The best m90 to use is that which is found on the 94-95 sc

The best all around port is the "S" port that magnusun gives you. That consists of the 94-95 square inlet SC with mild inlet and exhaust porting of the blower case. This will give you best performance throughout your rpm range.

If you are looking for ultimate power and boost then a Magnum Powers MPX blower case is what you should be using. You can really OD that blower.

Coating the blower rotors by lets say The High Speed Lab (only ones that I know who do it) or using coated rotors in general does little.

Once you have the blower you plan on using(the oval inlet blowers you REALLY want to stay away from) here is what you should know (and may already)

The factory SC inlet is a rather huge restriction ported or otherwise. Magnum Powers again sells a HUGE inlet. If it can fit this kit I HIGHLY reccomend it. If not I'd reccomend a custom inlet or the factory one made much larger.

Anything in front of the blowers inlet is a restriction be it the TB MAF or intake tube. For instance on both my 4.6 and 3.8 I run 90mm MAFS and 3.5 inch inlets, My 4.6 has a 75mm TB (due to fitment) and my 3.8's all have 85mm TB's.

These blowers create a ton of heat. WIth an LS compression ration I'd reccomend going with a methanol injection setup. Not only will it raise your octane but cut down on the IAT's drastically.

On my 4.6 at 4-6psi I was limited to 319rwhp. NOONE has bested 400rwhp with even the s ported m90 on a worked 4.6. I have however recently modified my setup to use a Magnum powers MPX...ANd hoping to break that barrier.

Unsure how much you are all looking for but at the min Id use the later model 94-95 SC M90 as its much more efficient then earlier models, work on getting everything before the inlet of the SC enlarged and lastly use methanaol injection....Im also unsure just how strong your pistons are. If they are anything liek a factory 4.6 they DONT LIKE BOOST(detonation)

Oh and glad to see it all comming along

Damon

Posted by: Quik LS

Damon - good to hear form you - I recall seeing you on the SCCoA forum...

yup - that's one of the biggest reason for the design - we literally have more aftermarket options on the blower (and related pieces) than we have on the rest of the car!!

from Gen1 to the Gen2 SC T-Bird OE blowers, to the S-port and full on MP-series, pulley options, coating, inter-cooling (chemical, air-to-air, liquid-to-air), ...we have lots of options.

You hit it on the head - now one yet knows where the limit is.... so as soon as someone can safely shove 9PSI into it - we can really open it up

Our little 3.9L is very effecient - so we make lower boost at the same rpm than was on the T-Bird.... making all the points you mentioned more important. Now that we have a setup running fairly strong, we can start swapping components to really maximize the flow.

Posted by: NateRW21

Hey Quik... you never said if there will be a Gen II kit available.

I've thought long an hard about building a centrifugal set-up (if I could shoe-horn one in). But, I don't have the time, facilities or money to R&D a centrifugal blower (I can visualize some expensive mistakes along the way where things have to be redone at considerable cost to myself since I don't have fabrication facilities). In the long run, I think your kit would work well for me... IF you offer it for the Gen II's.

Offer it for the Gen II's, and I'll buy another LS when I get back in 2010 from my upcoming trip!

Posted by: Quik LS

yes - all the custom pieces will fit Gen1 or Gen2.

The differences are:
- smaller belt - since the Gen2 doesn't have the fan pump and a smaller water pump pulley
- the intake is setup to come in where the Gen1 is - so can a Gen2 us the Gen1 intake (simply a fitment issue, and then wiring lengths for MAF, IAT)
- the Gen2 uses a throttle-by-wire setup, the kit is using the T-Bird supercoupe throttlebody. So we will have to make an adapter to mate the LS throttlebody to the SC inlet plenum

I think that's it - not really that much different but I'll need someone to work out the kinks. I have a few offers from people - who will get a discount on the kit price sine they are 'developing' it with me.

Posted by: NateRW21

awesome!!!! Hopefully it will be all done and on sale when I'm ready to buy one come May-June 2010! :-D

Posted by: Sowpoke

Hey Good luck. Very interested to see whats up with all of this as we have a project LSE in the works that is currenly NA with a nitrous tune and something like this may be right up the alley

Posted by: githunder81

So Quick is your supercharger kit for sale yet. I recently stumbled upon this site and read all the posts last night and I was curious if it is ready to be relaesed yet? I have a 2005 LS V8 and am extremley interested in the kit.

Posted by: pektel

www.llsoc.com

I'm sooooo tempted.

Posted by: Sn8kbordin

Quote:

Originally Posted by pektel

www.llsoc.com

I'm sooooo tempted.

Tempted to wait another couple of years?
Tempted to do what?
And what's up with LLSOC?

Posted by: pektel

click the link. look at the big advertisement on the page, stating that the supercharger kits are NOW AVAILABLE for purchase.

Tempted to SC the LS, what else?

Posted by: Sn8kbordin

I see.
I'm tempted to trade mine in as it is too old to spend $ to maintain it.
Yet still no info on power gain, power at ? PSI boost, 0-60, quarter mile time. Just info that you need 4 friends to buy it with you to actually get one.
I thought it was not cool to post LLSOC stuff here as they are a paid site.

Posted by: pektel

hmmm... maybe so. But that isn't part of the site that you need to pay to see. I am also not a representative of that site, nor am I a member. Sorry if I crossed a line by posting up a website. I mean, if I say, www.detailedimage.com has a great deal on product X right now, is that crossing a line? I am a consumer posting a link to a product, not a vendor posting a link to my product.

Posted by: Quik LS

not sure where we got off on the wrong foot with you....

Correct - the LLSOC.com is not a paid vendor on LvC hence my silence about the SC available. Joey does a great job here at LvC - so I reached out to him to make sure there was no conflict of interest. Joey and I are cool.

We are buiilding the SC kits in groups of 5 to keep the price down.

If you took a momment to read the release - the fuel system and tuning are up to the purchaser - the kit is coming with a 2.9" pulley. My issue (or excuse if you like) is that my LS has an intake, exhaust and a few other things done to it... so I cannot quote absolute hp numbers.

the fact is - the SC kit is now available. You can also buy a custom Turbo or go N2O - the choice is yours. And it's all good.

Posted by: LsUnV2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quik LS

not sure where we got off on the wrong foot with you....

Correct - the LLSOC.com is not a paid vendor on LvC hence my silence about the SC available. Joey does a great job here at LvC - so I reached out to him to make sure there was no conflict of interest. Joey and I are cool.

We are buiilding the SC kits in groups of 5 to keep the price down.

If you took a momment to read the release - the fuel system and tuning are up to the purchaser - the kit is coming with a 2.9" pulley. My issue (or excuse if you like) is that my LS has an intake, exhaust and a few other things done to it... so I cannot quote absolute hp numbers.

the fact is - the SC kit is now available. You can also buy a custom Turbo or go N2O - the choice is yours. And it's all good.

so your selling a turbo setup as well? In the sc kit will there be a list of non kit parts that you have used in the fuel system and other areas that are needed??

Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by LsUnV2

so your selling a turbo setup as well? In the sc kit will there be a list of non kit parts that you have used in the fuel system and other areas that are needed??

Nope - no turbo from LLSOC. I believe ILLS (who is a STS dealer) has done 4 kits now - a rev1 and rev2 to his own car (which he has now sold), one for Cam (which is for sale) and one for Steve who is now sorted and doing final tuning. ILLS is the guy for the custom turbo.

Yes - as far as if you want the 'non-kit' pieces we can source them for you, or point you to the source directly. The LLSOC is a non-profit 501.c - so we have to balance the amount of effort we put towards things versus the amount of profit we cannot charge.

But - please hit me up on PM with questions.

Posted by: PetesSweets86

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quik LS

HOLY

man.....great to hear that the kit is available now. I've been telling all my fellow Lincoln owners/dealers here in WA about you..showing your videos and telling them what you got going and to hear that it's now available for ME...made me came :P I'll hit you up for the downlow on the kit as well as purchasing the kit and optional parts when I win my court settlement from a previous accident come this year 2009. I'm so excited.....though I won't be working on this kit til I move closer to work (to have time to work on the car since it won't be driveable) and my extended warrenty expires. This is sooo

in sick..I can't wait!!!!

Posted by: PetesSweets86

How much horsepower and torque we talking here if I own the 2000 LS V8 with the KKM CAI and Magnaflow exhaust?

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Wow haven't read this in awhile

How many SCed LSes are there now?

Posted by: PGA2B

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Wow haven't read this in awhile

How many SCed LSes are there now?

I'm working on mine right now. I am inverting the SC though. That way I can run an Air to Water intercooler easier.

Posted by: pektel

Quik's is still the only one I believe. Unless there have been 5 guys over on the llsoc that purchased them.

Posted by: PetesSweets86

Quote:

Originally Posted by pektel

Quik's is still the only one I believe. Unless there have been 5 guys over on the llsoc that purchased them.

Ya, bit hard for anyone to cough up 4k when the economy is in the pooper. I wish I was to technically skilled to buy one...I can afford it..but if that

breaks on me...I'm down one Lincoln.....

I just wished my Lawyer would get my car accident settlement going already...we discussed already to meet around 50k.......just he's procrastinating a bit. :'(

One thing is for certain...I'd only replace my baby LS with something like a Jaguar XKR (or similar)

I'm pissed off most is that the only place I can find for a "decent" price on a 03-06 LSE grille or Mclaren Grille is LSKONCEPTS.......and they already got them overpriced for what a junkyard would sell them to you for...... sigh sigh sigh.....

Posted by: xxdjdinot1989xx

Quote:

Originally Posted by PetesSweets86

I'm pissed off most is that the only place I can find for a "decent" price on a 03-06 LSE grille or Mclaren Grille is LSKONCEPTS.......and they already got them overpriced for what a junkyard would sell them to you for...... sigh sigh sigh.....

try ebay!
i seen some on there