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Supercharged Ls V8

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Posted by: b34nz

any idea when these kits will be ready for sale?
I want one.

Also, how much are you looking to sell them for? And any idea how much it will cost to have it installed? ballpark?


Posted by: b34nz

I want to get all new intake for my LS, but if this is going to be ready soon, or ever, then I dont wanna waste my money on the intake stuff yet. Thanks


Posted by: J3FF

Man, that thing will be a monster!!!


Posted by: 01LincolnLSV8

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
Here are pics of the engine bay....

- the output form the SC goes down and under the intake filter

- the 'cooled' return come into the engine bay and then around the end of the filter then over top of the shock tower then into the output plenum

BTW: don't worry - the blue elbow will be replace with a black one once they have them in stock....
That is just amazing, man you are a genius on this stuff man keep up the good work i am dien to see a video of this thing in action, and some numbers to back up the video


Posted by: Quik LS

sorry - been traveling last two weeks - back this week so I should make some good progress.

I have to redesign my cold air box - to fit in between all the piping and filter. This has to be done since my hood scoop drops right on top of the filter - so my box not only directs air to the filter - but water away.


Posted by: J 2 THE A

Hey quick that's coming along really great, I have seen a few people wondering about the IRS in these ls's being weak well, I have mentioned before about some guys building cobra replicas using mustangs as a donor car (best kits on the market so far) and using the late model t-bird IRS's in them and heres a link to a kit they sell.
http://parts.factoryfive.com/newcatalog/chassis/irs.htm


Posted by: rocket5979

Quote:
Originally Posted by J 2 THE A
Hey quick that's coming along really great, I have seen a few people wondering about the IRS in these ls's being weak well, I have mentioned before about some guys building cobra replicas using mustangs as a donor car (best kits on the market so far) and using the late model t-bird IRS's in them and heres a link to a kit they sell.
http://parts.factoryfive.com/newcatalog/chassis/irs.htm


At the power level Quik's LS will be running at he will not be needing a new IRS rear.


Posted by: J 2 THE A

Quote:
Originally Posted by rocket5979
At the power level Quik's LS will be running at he will not be needing a new IRS rear.
Sorry I was misunderstood I meant to show these rearends are stronger than what everybody is determining, as soon as my ls is paid off I am gutting it down to nothing and building it from the ground up. all new motor, electricial, everything. All solid state universal components, now don't knock me yet its a shame my 2000 ls v-8 that was 40,000 is barely going for 10g's now so I'm keeping it and starting over fresh, you gotta admit besides all the miles of electronics in these things its a great platform to build on. peace.


Posted by: J 2 THE A

Quote:
Originally Posted by J 2 THE A
Sorry I was misunderstood I meant to show these rearends are stronger than what everybody is determining, as soon as my ls is paid off I am gutting it down to nothing and building it from the ground up. all new motor, electricial, everything. All solid state universal components, now don't knock me yet its a shame my 2000 ls v-8 that was 40,000 is barely going for 10g's now so I'm keeping it and starting over fresh, you gotta admit besides all the miles of electronics in these things its a great platform to build on. peace.
Oh yeah and don't forget the suicide doors, forget the lambo doors go by a lambo if you want it that bad, and bring back our suicide doors the ls should have had them on there from the start....... word....


Posted by: Dominus

You need to get a raised supercharger top for that thing ASAP. There's a lot of power to be had off of that alone.


Posted by: mholhut

Quote:
Originally Posted by J 2 THE A
I have mentioned before about some guys building cobra replicas using mustangs as a donor car (best kits on the market so far) and using the late model t-bird IRS's in them and heres a link to a kit they sell.
http://parts.factoryfive.com/newcatalog/chassis/irs.htm
FWIW, the IRS that Factory Five suggests is off the previous generation of T-birds, not the one ones that are on the same platform as the LS.


Posted by: KD00LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominus
You need to get a raised supercharger top for that thing ASAP. There's a lot of power to be had off of that alone.
The problem is the strength of the rear/motor internals/transmission. Sadly to say, I don't think we want too much power.


Posted by: GWL

Quote:
Originally Posted by KD00LS
The problem is the strength of the rear/motor internals/transmission. Sadly to say, I don't think we want too much power.
There seems to be a lot of worry here about the strength of our engines/transmissions and differentials. Yet, with all the talk about NO2 and drag racing, I have yet to read of a failure. I am sure that sooner or later, someone will blow the crank or transmission and than we will know for sure where the threshold actually is on HP/Torque.


Posted by: PM80

Actually the guy who quik bought the crank from geranded either the rearend or the tranny. So we do know that there are some weak links.


Posted by: Quik LS

yes - we have a pretty good idea of the transmission and rear-end end-points are.

a Ford transmission engineer that worked on the 5r55n helped explain all the specs of the trannie and the issues of rpm flaring, N vs. S, ...etc

the read-end will be the weakpoint. we need an LSD anyway - so that will be the next target.


Posted by: KD00LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
...the read-end will be the weakpoint. we need an LSD anyway - so that will be the next target.
Lou, did you ever look into that "Hot Rod LS rear" on ebaymotors that I posted a while back?


Posted by: Quik LS

I did - sent the seller several e-mails trying to find out what (or if) he did anything unique. He/She never responded..... so I didn't buy it.

We needs a LSD....


Posted by: beaups

won't an lsd may you more likely to fry the rear end? just thinkink with the power going to 1 wheel it'll break loose a lot easier and help keep from frying the rear end. just a guess


Posted by: Quik LS

maybe - I am no expert on differentials - but we gotta go for a stronger rearend either way.

I believe an open diff means the same amount of torque is applied to each wheel. So when you get into a situation that allows one wheel to spin faster than the other - all the torque is limited by what that one wheel can take (which is not much when it is spinning) - then if that wheel should all-of-a-sudden hook-up - you are more likely to break something on that one side..... This is why the LS can be a handful in the snow or on wet roads without TC or AC.

Most of the failures we have seen suggest that the car was spinning one wheel then it grabbed - causing some sort of unbalanced jarring twist.

The new Mustang has a more powerful engine, similar (or the same) transmission and a bigger, tougher rear-end.....


Posted by: rocket5979

Quote:
Originally Posted by beaups
won't an lsd may you more likely to fry the rear end? just thinkink with the power going to 1 wheel it'll break loose a lot easier and help keep from frying the rear end. just a guess

Yes in some cases and no in others. If your talking about a high horsepower Mustang or Camaro (for instance) and for whatever reason didnt have a stock LSD in there then if an LSD is swapped in there then that vehicle would essentially have twice as much traction then the open diff'ed car which could lead to breakage. There are some additional variables added in there too like what kind of tires will be used (streets, DR's, slicks) and so on.

While a supercharged LS will be making a very respectable amount of power, it still will not yet be making the type of power that a lot of parts breakage really results from. Couple that with the low likelihood of a person running slicks (aka very good traction) and running an LSD in their LS should not hurt them much if any.

The problem with these LS's is that it seems like it is the luck of the draw. Some rear ends and trannies hold just fine for all sorts of driving while other crap out after standard use and low miles.


Posted by: daves2000ls

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
The new Mustang has a more powerful engine, similar (or the same) transmission and a bigger, tougher rear-end.....
any word on whether or not the 3 valve 4.6 is too big?


Posted by: Quik LS

Yes - the 3.9L is the largest engine that can be loaded from the bottom of the car - like they do at the factory. The 4.6L will fit in from the top.

http://mirror.llsoc.com/OLOA/2005/?page=images&show=One Lap 2005 016_resize.jpg

The problem with an engine swap has been talked about in several threads here.


Posted by: Nicelysedated

Whats up with the supercharger? Any idea when we can hear how it runs with it on? Im anxious to hear your impressions about how the car runs with it on.


Posted by: Quik LS

update - you can tell from the pics in my previous post - I had to rebuild my airbox. It is a must-have since my hood scoop will let water in unless I re-direct it.

The first two pics are of the space I had to work with.

The next two are with the new box installed. There is a a hose coming out the bottom to drain the water downand away

The last two are with the intake installed

I am almost finished with the lid and I'll post pics of it.....


Posted by: J3FF

That looks tough man!!!! I'm the first to see!! OMG that thing has gotta be fast as hell man! I'm saving up now!! Quik...I must say, you are one hell of a worker. GREAT JOB!


Posted by: machlsowner

thats a hell of a lot of tubing going on there!


Posted by: b34nz

bahhhh how much longer must we wait for this kit
It's killing me =T


Posted by: 2003v8sport

Sorry Quick, guess it's gotta be me...
Got anything new to add this weekend?


Posted by: b34nz

"quik: Yeah man, the kits ready! It's only going to cost $1000 too! woohoo"

>=o


Posted by: Quik LS

here's the latest....

I finished the Cold Air Box - matching it to the hood scoop....

and then trimmed and fitted the bumper.... and re-installed it


started up - yep - the tubing on the SC side is hot - after the inter-cooler is cold....

I haven't hit the streets yet....


Posted by: jpitt

that looks mean as hell man...


Posted by: J3FF

Quote:
Originally Posted by b34nz
"quik: Yeah man, the kits ready! It's only going to cost $1000 too! woohoo"

>=o
Are you serious???? Just a grand???


Posted by: b34nz

I wish =[


Posted by: bigpappy33

I just peed my pants out of intimidation. Get that baby on the road and let us know how she goes! Nice, nice work quik...


Posted by: MikeB

Quick, This may have already been asked, but what is the red loop on the front of your bumper?
I don't remember seeing that in previous pics.


Posted by: jolinc01

looks mean can't wait to hear the dyno results


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeB
Quick, This may have already been asked, but what is the red loop on the front of your bumper?
it's how the car gets home after I blow my head gasket...

the car is so low, even lower now with some of the intercooler piping, that tow hook may be the only way to trailer it if it needs to be...


Posted by: HDDave

That looks really, really good....can't wait to hear the results


Posted by: chr0me

niiiice work i cant wait to see it on the dyno


Posted by: TheRebel

I haven't posted here because I didn't have anything to say that could help, but I must say, Quick your awsome. I don't think I could ever jump into a project like this and spend all the time and money that something like this must require. And even with that there is the possibilty that it won't work. You pursue this project even when you know that you might blow your drivetrain. In my book your a Saint to the LS. I just hope that you have some kind of sponser to help you out with this project. I also hope that this all pays off in the long haul because you deserve it for everything you've thaught us in this thread. My hats off to you Quick.


Posted by: J3FF

So, is this kit going to include all this stuff???? Or are you putting all the extra stuff in because you race that bad boy?


Posted by: Vaughn84

Wow, that is amazing Quik. I have just read through this thread and I must say that I am very impressed. What you did is absoloutely awesome and I hope that it works out for you and that you don't come across any more problems or set backs. Keep us posted on the results, which I'm sure you will any way. Keep it up.


Posted by: Bozz

I can't wait to hear how she runs when he's done... that thing is gonna be INCREDIBLE!

Here I am all excited cuz I put a K&N on my 2000 LS8 today -- it seems like the acceleration is a little smoother than before.

Bozz


Posted by: Flame3g

Nice F*cking work Quik i have been sitting back and reading every thread and all i have to say is WOW! I have been telling every one at my job about this and they were like Are u f*cking serious. They all own camaro, trans ams, Mustangs Etc. Can't wait to see a video with that thing in action good luck and god speed.


Posted by: fonsito

Im really excited about this proyect


Please post some pics of burnouts and a video on the street ... and how can I forget the most important fact DYNO NUMBERS!!


Posted by: Quik LS

Update - no more cooling issues! (well so far)...

found the culprit - thermostat

had to move the SC to get at it....


Posted by: Quik LS

you can see the stock LS thermostat is on the left - much larger than the replacement we used...


Posted by: Quik LS

I ran the car easy for about an hour - then hard for about an hour......

no overheating, boost is right were we want it at 4-5psi, ....

now I think the next steps are dyno tuning (after a couple of days of driving) .....


Posted by: beaups

quik that looks incredible. how did it feel?


Posted by: black_lincoln

wow... on the road finally huh .. is there any noticable gain running how it is now?


Posted by: J3FF

So what did you do with the thermostat? Just used the stock one?


Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

Quik...on our Cobras, they have located the thermostat into the radiator hose. They just hung a housing in the hose. At least you don't have to screw around with the s/c if you ever need to get to it. It wouldn't surprise me if the exact same thing wouldn't work on your car if the time comes that you feel it's necessary.


Posted by: PM80

So do you think we will still need the intercooler since the change of the thermostat?


Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

Quote:
Originally Posted by PM80
So do you think we will still need the intercooler since the change of the thermostat?
Need it? Hmmm.....maybe not NEED it. But you absolutely should use one if you can. It's amazing what one can do for the IAT on a s/c car. It allows you to run more boost and timing....and gives you a large safety cushion if you leave a conservative tune on the car.


Posted by: Quik LS

the rough numbers are - for each pound of air compressed you raise the temperature by 18 degrees. so at 5psi - the intake charge is roughly 90 degrees hotter than ambient. In Texas, it has been over 100 most of the month, add to that a black car on a black road.....

so an intake charge off 200 degrees - may still be safe but...

If I can achieve the practical 77% efficiency on the intercooler - that should put the 200 degrees back to close to ambient. colder air - is denser air - so that should help make a bit more power as well.


Posted by: daves2000ls

quik, congratulations. ohh, and did your initials play a part in you buying the LS?


Posted by: ourss96

Quik,

Are you planning on re-installing the lower grille insert?

Not like your car would look stock with it installed, but it would retain a portion of "sleeperness" with it installed.

By the way, FABULOUS WORK!!! I've only known one other guy that went so far to keep things looking like it was installed at the factory and he had one of the sickest Impala SS's I've ever seen.


Posted by: fonsito

Quik give us an update please!!


Thanks


Posted by: J3FF

Any Update?


Posted by: Flame3g

Quik ur killing us update please


Posted by: Quik LS

Quik update -

- drove the car to work all week - no problems.

100 degrees here in Austin, stop and go traffic at times, ...etc

did not overheat once.


whew....


I am driving 'fairly' civil.


I need to go an get my wideband bung installed and then I'll start mapping the a/f - get it to Torrie so he can clean up the maps

then schedule a dyno tune.


Posted by: daves2000ls

"fairly civil" nice. cant wait to see the results.


Posted by: nylincolnls

Quick I have a 91 thunderbird SC and i know previously it was mentioned about having to supply your own supercharger when you get the kit ready. To help get myself ready what should i pull off the car?


Posted by: eL eS

Hey Lou congrats on the install!


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by nylincolnls
To help get myself ready what should i pull off the car?
well - we have a lot to do yet.

- tuning and dyno numbers. if they are good - then start with the next step. If not - we have some more 'tweaking' to do.

- once we are happy with the power and drivability - then we need to take all my modifications to the original manifold/belt bracket/...etc and make another set - better.

- then re-install, film the install - as part of the instructions.

- then find another daring/crazy LS owner.... to try it out.


Posted by: Putter-GLHT

How are you able to remap factory electronics? Are you using a boost reference or mass air only? Will you be changing shift scheduling and/or apply pressures etc for the added torque?

Thanks


Posted by: Quik LS

I have done all the above with the SCT XCalibrator2

Here is the post I made after we worked with SCT and got it working on the LS for the first time -> http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/sho...74&postcount=8

Changes since that post:
- SCT came out with a better unit - XCalibrator2
- Torrie's business is now called 'FastPartsNetwork.com'


do a search on 'SCT Flasher' - there is alot of good reading on it.


Posted by: Vaughn84

I am in complete awe with what you have done here. Awesome.


Posted by: nylincolnls

- then find another daring/crazy LS owner.... to try it out.


ok i will take it upon myself to volunteer to be the sacrificial lamb. i will ship my car whenever you say!


Posted by: Cruznlife1

oops, tried to start a new thread *EDIT*


Posted by: b34nz

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS

- then find another daring/crazy LS owner.... to try it out.

I will drive to whereever you live and let you do it to my car. I will rent a hotel and everything and stay out of your hair. How much of a discount would we get for being a test dummy? =x


Posted by: daves2000ls

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
well - we have a lot to do yet.

- tuning and dyno numbers. if they are good - then start with the next step. If not - we have some more 'tweaking' to do.

- once we are happy with the power and drivability - then we need to take all my modifications to the original manifold/belt bracket/...etc and make another set - better.

- then re-install, film the install - as part of the instructions.

- then find another daring/crazy LS owner.... to try it out.
lou, im both daring and crazy


Posted by: BanginLS

Lou, I'm daring, crazy, and have the money to get it done if the power gain is worth it. I am not picky and am in no hurry, obviously plenty of people want to jump in line to get this done, so best of luck on picking the right person!


Posted by: J3FF

GUYS!! I got a guy here in Frankfort who just supercharged his LS. He's got a Triton Supercharger, and he's poorin about about 340 horses. He showed it to me, but he did not show me the dyno papers. He said 338. I'll get pics soon.


Posted by: beaups

340 at wheels or crank?


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by J3FF
GUYS!! I got a guy here in Frankfort who just supercharged his LS. He's got a Triton Supercharger, and he's poorin about about 340 horses. He showed it to me, but he did not show me the dyno papers. He said 338. I'll get pics soon.

it is good to see these cars finally getting some attention. it is not impossible, just takes some time and money now that we can tune it - which was the showstopper.

I would be interested in how much boost he was running and if he was intercooling some way.


Posted by: Vivid LS

I am all over being the other LS owner. Would be the perfect addition to my car and I would bring it anywhere you need it.


Posted by: Quik LS

update:

- I have about 500 miles on it now - everything ok.....

I got the wideband O2 bung installed yesterday, spent some time running the wideband sensor through the dash and console.

I have to travel this week - so next weekend I'll finish up the wideband install (with pics) and then start mapping the air/fuel ratios with my other data - send it to Torrie to refine the tunes as much as possible.

Then schedule a dyno day and Torrie is driving up.


Posted by: jokken

Quik, wow, nice job! congrats. what about for us 6cyl guys?


Posted by: Quik LS

It's been a couple of weekends -

I have the wideband installed now.... used my new lift to get to it...


First - the product I am using the LC-1 Lambda Cable - from Innovate MotorSports
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php

so the way this works -
- the new wideband O2 sensor into the exhaust bung, the other end into the LC-1.
- the LC-1 then plugs into the analog-in port of the SCT XCalibrator2.
- the SCT XCal plugs into the ODBII port
- the SCT USB port plug into your laptop
- the laptop runs SCT's LiveLink and you can now datalog all the SCT parameters as well as the analog input - which is the LC-1 Air/Fuel measurements....


I then ran the leads form the LC-1 controller into the cabin through the firewall.
Wired it into power and the analog cable that then plugs into the XCal2.

Pic#1: the secert firewall passageway just to the left of the brake pedal pass-through

Pic#2: the plug in the firewall hole - the controller fit through that

Pic#3 - Here's a pic of the exhaust bung (above and to the right of the stock O2 sensor)

Pic#4 - wideband O2 sensor installed

Pic#5 - pic of the O2 sensor wiring tie-wrapped to the fluid lines of the steering box

Pic#6 - a pic of the controller hidden up in the engine bay (under the degas bottle)


Posted by: Quik LS

Then I programmed the LC-1 to give a 4v constant output - plugged it into the XCal and logged the output - which was 3.988v - so I am loosing 0.012v due to ground-offsets. The LiveLink software allows you adjust the formula behind the scenes to compensate for this offset.



Here is the article I used for my setup: -> http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/f...ead.php?t=2671

the user 'Pontisteve' was very knowledgable.


Posted by: TheRebel

So you had to add another O2 sensor just for data logging? Is that going to have to be done if a kit becomes available, or are you just using yours as the test mule and then offer some baseline tunes with a supercharger kit?


Posted by: Quik LS

well - you always have to use a wideband O2 for dyno tuning - most good dyno shops have a wideband attached to their dyno machine - so they can weld in a bung and attach the windband during your session.

Since I am always jacking with my car - and have on-board computer to log many parameters of the car - adding a real a/f reading was all I was missing.

once we are done everything - we will get a feeling how generic we can be with the tune.....


Posted by: JES_LS

Hey Quik,
it looks awesome, but I have a question.
On the top of the sc there is square plenum that turns 90 degrees to feed the pressurized air charge to the intercooler piping. Except for the flange to attach the intercooler tubing to it, it looks just like the plenum on my 3.8 tbird sc motor.
That brings me to my question(s).
did you do anything with the Plenum to remove the very raise flat floor in the bend to the 'cooler tubing?

It was a standard pratice on the sc motor to weld a 1/2 to 1 inch spacer to the bottom the plenum and then machine the opening to as close to round as possible. The limit to the space height was how close to the outside hood skin where you willing to get. this mod would drop the boost a coupe of .1 of a psi, but the flow would increase a lot.

If you have not done this yet are you considering it???

Also was there a particular reason you went with an air-to-air cooler instead of an air to water? (sorry if I missed this in the earlier posts.)

Dang it now I'll just have to score myself a v8 sport and do a manual trans swap on it asap. I'll need so I can be ready when this SC is really in full production.

thanks again Lou you are the man


Posted by: Quik LS

there are a ton of options for the SC t-bird - a bunch of ideas on http://www.sccoa.com/ and http://www.magnumpowers.com/ - but frankly I was hoping to stick with 4 - 5 psi and get everything working.... before looking at higher power level - so I'm staying away from all the things I could do to increase the boost levels for now.

I went air-to-air on the intercooling to stay with a more traditional setup - it turned out to be more of a challenge than I was hoping for.... but it's in now. I need to really stretch it to see if I hurt the flow too much....

more tuning this week - I've been running new tunes almost every day, logging the data and Torrie re-tuning.

should be trying some WOT runs over the weekend.


Posted by: Kelleyo

Quote:
Originally Posted by J3FF
GUYS!! I got a guy here in Frankfort who just supercharged his LS. He's got a Triton Supercharger, and he's poorin about about 340 horses. He showed it to me, but he did not show me the dyno papers. He said 338. I'll get pics soon.
Any news on this SC install? Pics?


Posted by: JES_LS

great Quik,

I'm a member of SCCOA, but have been off the list for a while. I don't currently have an sc-bird, but my one stang has an sc motor in it.

I did the plenum on the SC and the intermediate shaft pulley. The Pulley was supposed to jack the boost up to 11-12 psi, but with the plenum spacer it only rose to 10 psi. On the other hand, the increased flow made the car and animal and the intercooler input temps only rose about 20 deg.

Good luck with it.


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

update?


Posted by: lloydrage

Quik any sort of update?


Posted by: Quik LS

sorry - being traveling. I've been daily driving it from over a month now.

We been doing some more tuning. Finally took it from some WOT runs. Felt strong - datalogged it and have a new file to try.

The car is parked and I should be pulling the plugs this weekend to make sure all is good. the A/F is a little tooo safe, so if I can get it back on the road this week We be getting more aggressive with it.

the tip-in and tip-out still needs a little work.


Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
the tip-in and tip-out still needs a little work.
The most difficult part of any tune....


Posted by: jolinc01

any updates?


Posted by: eastcoastLS

how much does the supercharger cost that u got quik? also does anyone know howmuch a turbo would cost? exlcuding installation


Posted by: Quik LS

hard questions to answer.....

as this is a proto-type - all the pieces are either fabricated as a one-off or I made them by piecing together several production units (like the coolant hoses).

The only thing 'over-the-counter' is the M90 supercharger, throttle-body and the inlet/outlet plenums. I have purchased two more sets of those items off e-bay - for a couple $100s. I rebuilt them - new snout bearings, snout seal, and coupler. I am currently polishing a unit up to see if I want a shiney unit under the hood...

I probably have several 1000s in materials, one-off pieces and funky tools I have purchased since the start of the project. The goal is to get the kits down to a reasonable piece and let people purchase pieces off e-bay and such if they want.

The fact the you are asking 'how much a turbo would cost without installation' is probably not the right question - it really is not the cost of the parts, but all the fabrication time, test fitting, miscellaneous pieces that you need to create the first one.... and the costs involved in the repeated tuning effort....

As an example - SVC created a one-off supercharger for the LS/T-Bird - the proto-type was selling for $6k but had to be installed by them, you had to live near them and no intercooler. They planned the production kit to be around $10k - but last I heard nothing ever came of it.

I think others are planning on taking another shot at the rear-mount turbo kit - so they can give you a better idea of what they think cost will be like.


Posted by: allkesh

Any updates?


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Whats up with some pics, some stats, videos, ANYTHING. Quik, I know you and I don't get along but I'm still interested in the SC project. You've been saying things are running fine for months now and haven't gotten so much as a pic. Not saying I'm doubting you or your progress, I just don't see the reason in having a working SC on an LS, talking about so much, spending so much money on it, and then not posting any pics or videos. You did a video before but that was at idle and that was like 6 months ago. Whats up with some new footage???? I know I'm not alone on this either. I'm sure we'd all like to see the SCLS do some WOT runs and if you've all ready done them why not video tape them? I know you gotta video recorder. What sense in NOT documenting/recording ur progress and most importantly, your successes! It would be HUGE for the LVC.com website and all its members. I look forward to seeing something, good luck with the rest of your work.


Posted by: gixxerboi

I Second That! Pics? Video? Sound Clip? Let Me Test Drive It?:d Update Please..................


Posted by: Quik LS

Well... it's been a while since an update.....

While I was waiting on Geoff for a few things, I decidied to keep my hands busy

with the need to 'up my game' for new pics for Tony - T-MAN for the 2007 LLSOC Calendar (the calendar competition is tough) I though I would solve a couple of items at the same time.

so... i decided to dress up the engine bay and move to a new throttle body.

The setup I am using is a stock T-Bird supercoupe throttle body that perfectly matches the inlet plenum to the SC. The throttle body has not posed a problem yet.... but since it is smaller then the stock LS throttle body - I thought it would be a good target.

so I purchased a Magnum Powers 85MM Throttle Body - the largest aftermarket TB you could buy.

Pics are the TB:
here are the TBs side by side:


Posted by: Quik LS

But.... when I mount the TB - is obviously needed 'some' porting....


Posted by: Quik LS

Here's the before and after


Posted by: Quik LS

view down the throat (first pic is before, then the next two are after)...


Posted by: Quik LS

Then I polished it up (before and after)


Posted by: Quik LS

Here's some pics of the engine bay now....


Posted by: Quik LS

and yes - that says 3.9......


Posted by: Quik LS

I have also started 'rebuilding' the snouts of the M90 Eaton, assuming that most of us will buy ours used... I though I should learn how to do it.

I created a 30+ page document on how to replace the bearings, seal and oil - but it's too big to post here.


Posted by: Quik LS

if you are doubting that we are serious about building kits....

here is a pic of the units that I purchased in the past 30 days, rebuilt their snouts, and are ready to go.....


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
Whats up with some pics, some stats, videos, ANYTHING.
I hope you understand.

I am a director by profession - so I travel 3 weeks a month and have only Saturdays to progress on this project.

I am an engineer by trade - so I am slow and meticulous on what I do.

I understand you are impatience - it's been a long time. However - I have to make sure this works...... most of us use our LSes as daily drivers. So emissions, mileage and reliability are all factors here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
You've been saying things are running fine for months now and haven't gotten so much as a pic.
Well - if you read this thread - I have posted more pics than anyone - ever. I posted pics of my issues and successes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
It would be HUGE for the LVC.com website and all its members.
I always find this type of comment interesting. You take it upon yourself to represent the LvC community but have not paid the mere $$s to become an actual member..... how do you feel you have the right to represent? I am a prominent member of a web-site many feel is in competition - yet I pay and am a gold member.

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
Quik, I know you and I don't get along but I'm still interested in the SC project.
Honestly, after seeing how you deal with issues - the XCal tune thread, and your multiple trannie blew up (Torrie did it - maybe not) threads - I am very concerned about my ability to deliver a SC kit that will not fall to the same fate....

You brag about 'you race more than anyone on this site'...... then your trannie has an issue and you blame the XCal tunes.... then you post maybe it wasn't the XCal....

I would be CRAZY to work with you on a SC kit that adds 80-100hp to your LS. the slightest issue - you'll post, cry and blame.....

I have worked through many, many issues. If I did not want to do it - I should not be upset.

not trying to rag on you StinkinLinkinLS01 - so please do not take these comment negatively - your post has a 'call you out' tone to it and I have no issue with that.... I have been driving a Supercharged LS to work for the last 90 days.


What have you done to your LS in the last 90 days?


Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Well said.


Seriously Quik that is ALOT of hard work and driving it daily must be a blast.

I don't think you'll have to worry about the future buyers being the same ones that have the love/hate relationships with their cars. If those guys had the money it'll take to put one on their LS, they'd ditch their LS in a minute for something else, and then complain about it.


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Hahaha. Unfortunately I imagined that you would be offended. I never said I represented the "LVC crowd"...but I don't that makes my statement false. I purchased a Camaro to play with so I have done nothing to my LS in the last 90 days. I really don't care about the SC, I would never put one on my car unless I had the money, and if I did, I would probably break it, as will most people. I do believe you are serious and hope you didn't post all the pics just to "prove it". I really hope you wouldn't send years posting things if it wasn't true. I believe you have an SC on your car but why not post videos or anything. You have a video camera readily available and it would take you less than 20 minutes. Tops.

BTW. Obviously gixxerboi and I were on the same page along with MANY MANY others. Not just me. No need for the cocky attitude though.

At least my post worked. I knew someone had to light a fire under your ass in order to see some updates. hahahahahaha.


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

And by the way, where is the QuikLS fanclub website?


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

P.S. After you spend years developing this supercharger "kit" for the LS only to realize no one really has the $8,000 to pay for it and that marketing the "kit" really is NOT pheasable I hope driving a supercharged LS that you and I both know will last no more than a year or two on your 2002 will be worth all that hard work you put in to the project.

I know you have fun doing it, or at least I would hope so. It just seems like the project has hit a "reality bump". I wish you the best of luck. I just think the day that SC kit goes on the market is a long, long way off - if ever.

If it was me and I worked that hard and that long fabricating and testing a supercharger to work on my LS while keeping hundreds - even thousands of people anxiously waiting I would be kind enough to post some videos of a working SC when supposedly the thing has been "running strong for 90 days". That's just me, maybe I'm crazy.

Are people really going to pay $8,000 for an extra second in the 1/4 when they could pay $700 for a 150 shot of n2o with all the bells and whistles, have far less problems, AND run 13.2s in the 1/4 all day? Do you think the supercharged LS will run 13.2s with 330HP? HAHA.

Don't get me wrong. I am not taking anything away from Quik's work, his car, the LS, or any of that. I'm just trying to take a little air out of Quik's big head and voice my opinion like so many others are afraid to do for fear of public humiliation.


Posted by: Midas78

I think this should be read or even read again to remind people what this forum is for:

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=233

I like being a member and by reading intelligent arguments they can be helpful, but flaming, attacking and bickering is ridiculous. People have stopped posting in this forum because of being attacked. This is not being directed to any one person because this happens across all of the threads by multiple members.



Like Rodney King said: "Why can't we all just get along?"




Posted by: T_Man

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
At least my post worked. I knew someone had to light a fire under your ass in order to see some updates.
For a guy who says "I really don't care about the SC, I would never put one on my car unless I had the money, and if I did, I would probably break it", you sure do post a lot about not getting any updates.


Posted by: jolinc01

"I like being a member and by reading intelligent arguments they can be helpful, but flaming, attacking and bickering is ridiculous. People have stopped posting in this forum because of being attacked. This is not being directed to any one person because this happens across all of the threads by multiple members."

Midas78 I fully agree with that statement. This sounds like the start of a knock down drag out street fight. I understand that everyone has their bad days, and everyone has their certain "button(s)" that get pushed. We all do need to vent from time to time. I know nobody asked for my 2 cents, but I just wanted to say what I did. And I can see both sides of the arguement.


Posted by: Quik LS

There is no argument, no 'sides'. I am working on my project, posting updates when I can. The fact that is not good enough for StinkinLinkinLS01 - why would I care?

I do not owe StinkinLinkinLS01 anything - regardless of his adolescent posturing. He will post more and more, posture and posture - who cares? All it does it ruin good threads.


Posted by: Putter-GLHT

Have you spun the rollers with it yet? As far as using the SCT are you using a handheld or the PC software a dyno facility would have? How hard was using the factory electronics under a boosted application?


Posted by: Quik LS

not yet - booked and canceled twice do to last minute work travels. I have to book in advance since Torrie wants to come up and help tune it personally, I have to give home some lead time to travel.

I am using the SCT to datalog the various sensors with the added wideband O2 sensor (decribed a couple of pages back) - to get the real A/F mix, then send the log to Torrie and get a new tune back.


I use a g-tech pro competition to gauge improvements for now.


The factory PCM has been working fine - it obviously does not understand boost, so unlike a OE setup - we have to program much of the tuning to react with 'open loop' flags, load, throttle position, ...and MAF counts.


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Man
For a guy who says "I really don't care about the SC, I would never put one on my car unless I had the money, and if I did, I would probably break it", you sure do post a lot about not getting any updates.
I never said I wasn't interested in the project. All this is an observation in my eyes. I don't really have any personal grudge against Quik. That's just silly. Quik would like to say the same about me but I think he does have a grudge against me, he seems to remember just about every post I've ever had. Things weren't bad until I had the conflict with Torrie so I know Quik's opinions of me are very biased.

I have no reason to dislike Quik. I'm just sick of seeing him abandon the 18-page thread he basically started for 2-3 weeks at a time returning only to respond to a curious member's post now and then, always assuring everyone all is well and that she is running strong. HELLO! We'd like to see it! It's similar to taunting a starving man with steak. I wouldn't really care that much if I hadn't been following thread for over a year now, as most others have as well...

In the days of technology that is what we are all here for. The goods. And again, my point about the kit costing you $8,000 for an extra 80-100 HP is very, very disconcerning to me in terms of the kit being a viable option to anyone other than the most extreme LS enthusiast with $8,000 to spare. I can only imagine how much Quik has spent...

I can't wait to see the 1/4 mile numbers on this. I would be surprised to see the Quik's LS go from 14.8 to anything below 13.8 with an extra 80-100HP. I'm no rocket scientist so I may be wrong, that's just my opinion.

And Quik, don't get me wrong, you've always done an incredible job, far better than anyone in terms of documenting your progress and showing everyone "the goods" and I, as well as many others on this site I'm sure, thank you for that. Obviously we wouldn't even be speaking of this if it weren't for you but c'mon now. It just seems now that you've supposedly had it "running strong for 90 days" you've posted less and less and shown little to no proof that the thing actually "runs strong". The pic you posted is very similar to the one posted months ago and the other pics are just parts. Seems like a waste of time to post that nonsense if the thing is all ready running strong. Let's hear it, let's see it, let's get some data.

QUIK - If there is one thing you respond to in this entire message please, let it be this. What are you waiting for? Why have you waited three months to post any videos or to get a dyno tune or to take her to the track? I know ur busy and you claim to travel often but at the same time you said, "I drive a supercharged LS to work EVERYDAY."

you'd think you could remember to bring the video camera one of these times...


Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
BTW. Obviously gixxerboi and I were on the same page along with MANY MANY others.
Don't include me in that bunch. Speak for yourself...and yourself only.

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
And by the way, where is the QuikLS fanclub website?
The line starts right here. I thought you would have figured that out by now. Grow up and take your childish, bruised ego someplace else.


Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

By the way Stinkin, you can figure about 13 hp per pound of boost. That's a good number to use. But the torque gain is unbelievable. The car will be so much more fun and enjoyable to drive around on the street. 1/4 mile times aren't everything.


Posted by: Smokey

How do you like the g-tech pro Quik?


Posted by: T_Man

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
I really don't care about the SC, I would never put one on my car unless I had the money, and if I did, I would probably break it, as will most people.
That is your quote.
The way you keep flip-flopping says that you have a future in politics.
Besides, what business is it of ours anyway?

Quick is doing this project on his own (with the help of a few others), with his own money, on his own time, at his own pace. Why do you care if he tells you about it or not? The fact that he is willing to share any of his experiences on this project with us (both the good and the bad) is a testament to Quick's outstanding character.

If this SC project is not proceeding fast enough for you... well that's just too bad. But then... You really don't care about it anyway, right?


Posted by: Quik LS

Thanx guys - don't let him get to you.... It's easy naming yourself critic and throwing your opinion on the internet - much harder to add value. Remember he is young.

The fact is - since I been on the road I have to worry about a couple of things:
- reliability, making sure it can handle the stop and go traffic on a hot texas day, make sure all my assumption about belt placement, coolant re-routing, and vacuum lines are correct. And I've made adjustments.
- that I can pass emissions testing, no point in building something I can't drive
- and I added a wideband permanently to the car so I can drive-log-tune

Once everything is fine - then I'll tune up for power and play with that. Right now I have the timing retarded and the fuel mix very fat - nice and safe. I 've done several WOT runs, logged and Torrie sends me a new file. It's people like you that keep me from posting anything until it's complete - simply because you'll bash on it for not being perfect.

so getting some miles on it before putting my foot into it is the only smart thing to do - I know you do not understand this - but it's not your car or your project.

I agree it's taking too long, but there a way to show interest and support the project and a way to be a kid about it. The fact is my company is on a acquisition spree that started a month after my project - so I have not been able to take the two weeks off in a row that I need.

Aaron - take a risk - do something that many say can't be done - and let us critic you, and hurry - it's taking you too long.


Posted by: jolinc01

any ideas/goals on what the boost might end up being once everything is final?


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokey
How do you like the g-tech pro Quik?
it's good. short of going to the track - it's one of the few tools that can objectively tell you if you improved things. Too many times things are louder, things 'seem' better - the the G-tech hits you with the numbers and facts are facts.....

I had mine at the track a few times and was able to adjust it until it was reading what my actual timeslips were - so I feel pretty confident it's close...

Your launch and how level the road is makes a big difference to how it reads.

is was money well spent in my opinion.


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by jolinc01
any ideas/goals on what the boost might end up being once everything is final?
not really sure. starting with a 4 - 5 psi range. if all looks good we will move up to 7 - 8 psi - I already have three steps of pulleys waiting to try. I have a laser heat gun to test the effeciency of the intercooler setup. the limiting factor is the 10.55:1 compression the engine is ready at.

as far as hp - again - the NOS guys are able to add another 100shot for 13sec hits.... so that's the high water mark now.


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

I can take the criticism. I expected it when I decided to challenge the expertise of someone such as quik. Like I said, I do appreciate what he has done. Don't just highlight my critisizm, look at the positives in what I wrote too because it wasn't just "brainless bashing". In any sense, I'm entitled to my opinion, no reason for everyone to turn on me because of my opinion. I think Quik should post a video of his supercharged LS. Is that so wrong to ask after like almost two years of following this thread? I would put the supercharger on my LS IF I had the kind of money that that job is going to cost. You see, if I did it, it wouldn't be for 1/4 mile times because like I all ready said, it won't be much faster than high 13s anyways. I agree it would be fun to drive, ALOT of fun to drive. It would also be a lot of fun to watch, a lot more than hearing Quik brag about how he drives his supercharged LS to work everyday teasing everyone who is actually interested in seeing some numbers. I don't care what 2001LS8 says, anyone who reads this thread would be interested in some numbers especially once they hear the SC has been "running stong for 90 days..." Right?

I guess I'm just an immature, impatient, ungrateful little b*st*rd. ;0) hahaha.


Posted by: lloydrage

Quik I just want to say keep up the good work.

thanks

LLOYD


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
I guess I'm just an immature, impatient, ungrateful little b*st*rd. ;0) hahaha.
Aaron - I have tried over and over to give you a graceful way out of this thread - there is no fight, no disagreement - none. Demand what you want, be a jerk - whatever....continue to embasse yourself here. It's tough being 20.

You have your facts wrong - it's been 1 year not 2. The kit will be about $4500 not $8000 - but you would know this if you actually read this thread.

Behind the keyboard it is easy asking, demanding, posturing. Not really a car guy - but I guess you are really best at POSING - right?

The title of your MySpace pic says it all - "No...not trying to be cocky"


Posted by: KD00LS

Worst picture ever. You not only forgot your shirt, your pants are unbuttoned. Let Lou do his thing, the guy's got a full time job and I'm sure he's more intent on getting it done faster than you are. I could run a 200 shot on my LS and then it would blow up. The reliablility of this project far outweighs the horsepower numbers, because this will be the first reliable S/C LS project. I think even the prototype S/C LS was sold with the supercharger in the trunk.


Posted by: J3FF

Quote:
Originally Posted by lloydrage
Quik I just want to say keep up the good work.

thanks

LLOYD
I quote that. You've come a heck of a long way with this project man. The car looks amazing, and I can't wait to see some numbers after you get the tuning done. Tuning is probably the most stressful part in creating an engine, and this is pretty much the same thing.

We can officially call you a Gearhead.


Posted by: T_Man

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
Aaron - I guess you are really best at POSING - right?

The title of your MySpace pic says it all - "No...not trying to be cocky"
Dude..... Nice Rack!!

(hanging on the wall behind you)


Posted by: 01lssport

LOL... That was mean Quick, but funny a hell!
You always have to be careful what you post to the web I guess...


Posted by: mholhut

Pwn3d!!!!!!!!


Posted by: Kelleyo

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
It would also be a lot of fun to watch, a lot more than hearing Quik brag about how he drives his supercharged LS to work everyday teasing everyone who is actually interested in seeing some numbers. I don't care what 2001LS8 says, anyone who reads this thread would be interested in some numbers especially once they hear the SC has been "running stong for 90 days..." Right?

I guess I'm just an immature, impatient, ungrateful little b*st*rd. ;0) hahaha.
He is not teasing anyone. He is not bragging. As Yogi Berra once said, it's not bragging if you can do it. We are patient. None of us would buy a haf baked kit that would cause a burned piston or worse. Considering he has a career and a family he has done an amazing job.

You on the other hand are just a stupid/kid/TROLL and need to grow up, be a man and get a life. Also quit shaving your chest (or is it that you don't really have anything to shave?)


Posted by: Smokey

Kelleyo,
Just noticed your sig. How do you like the Magnaflows also, which 4" Magnaflow tips do you have? Do you have a picture of the tips on the car?


Posted by: 402777LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by mholhut
Pwn3d!!!!!!!!
I see you've been keeping busy improving your vocabulary on the late shift.


Posted by: Kelleyo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokey
Kelleyo,
Just noticed your sig. How do you like the Magnaflows also, which 4" Magnaflow tips do you have? Do you have a picture of the tips on the car?
Yep here are the tips:




Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Lou...who is that handsome devil in that pic there? Must be some sort of Armani model...hahaha...

Quik had to have spent about 20 minutes searching the web for something to use on me. Childish?? Kind of...but more importantly...thats just sick...a little...just a little bit funny...

It doesn't bother me at all really, I wouldn't have allowed my GF to post the pic on my page if I was worried about what people would think or say. You see that guy in that pic? Truth is it looks a whole lot better than 95% of the wrinkly overweight old men on this forum. I'm sure everyone on here has a pic with their shirt off somewhere...luckily for you I'm not pathetic enough to look for it...

Hey Quik...if you need help with the whole sexuality thing...here is a website I think you'll find useful:

http://www.graygay.com/

Hahaha. It's all fun and games....good laughs. I'm glad Lou spent that much time looking for that pic...shows me he really really cares...


Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Made me laugh.


Posted by: Wicked_LS

Dont worry about it quick like i told you on sccoa (95MustangSC) you need help let me know some idiots just dont understand the difficulties of adding the mn12 setup on cars not meant for it. I know what your going through you know that and i will go to bat for you on that my kit cost me a ton of money and even more time spent creating it. just let me know if you need the help anytime bro. later


Posted by: Bodyshield

quik nice work on the SC kit on the car maybe we should arrange an LS meet once its done cause i've seen about 4-5 other LS owners by ATX or SA area, and maybe hit up some of the texas roads. but keep up the good work man, i know how hard it is, to go away from the norm thing and build something different


Posted by: Quik LS

Aaron - I'd stick with your first version of that post (remember we all get e-mailed) before you edited it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
Posted: 10/21/06 9:27pm CST
It doesn't bother me, looks a whole lot better than 95% of the pathetic old men on this forum...

classic


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodyshield
quik nice work on the SC kit on the car maybe we should arrange an LS meet once its done cause i've seen about 4-5 other LS owners by ATX or SA area, and maybe hit up some of the texas roads. but keep up the good work man, i know how hard it is, to go away from the norm thing and build something different
that would be great fun. There are a couple of other LS owners in Austin that meet for lunch every once in a while - be a nice parking lot full of LSes where ever we would stop for 'refreshments'.


Posted by: J3FF

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01

Hey Quik...if you need help with the whole sexuality thing...here is a website I think you'll find useful:

http://www.graygay.com/
I'm not about to click on this but...it makes me wonder how you came across this one... Is this appealing to you?


Posted by: dmgraz

hey quick,

is their any way to fab up or buy a head gasket that is a little taller than stock?
If so, this could possibly help you get your compression down to a safer level. I don't even know if they exsist. just a suggestion.


Posted by: Quik LS

yep - we looked into it - not that we think we need it yet - but 'just in case'.

of course - nothing exists aftermarket. so either glue two together or custom build some.....

hope we never need them...


Posted by: KD00LS

Wasn't there something you could do in regards to headers to lower compression?


Posted by: Quik LS

I don't think so - I believe headers will only reduce back-pressure and improve overall flow - allowing you to move the torque curve up (or down) the rpm range.

to change the compression within the cylinder - you would have to do something within the combustion camber itself.


Posted by: daves2000ls

ive got to say the way to get info on this SC is to go away for a couple of weeks, come back and there are 50 new posts in this thread. stinkin, we all want to know whats going on with Lou's project but we cant be a dick about getting info from him. quik, i have to agree, we do need another video at some point. and when (if) you get ready to do the 3.0, you know who to come to for a guinea pig.


Posted by: Quik LS

agreed.

Enough ragging on StinkinLinkinLS01 - it's actually a shame that another LS owner in Austin and I can't hook up on the projects.... (and I share the blame)

just for the record - it's sitting outside my office window right now....


Posted by: GrayGhost1

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
agreed.

Enough ragging on StinkinLinkinLS01 - it's actually a shame that another LS owner in Austin and I can't hook up on the projects.... (and I share the blame)

just for the record - it's sitting outside my office window right now....
Are you parked in a Handicapped parking place? I'm calling the ADA!!


Posted by: T_Man

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrayGhost1
Are you parked in a Handicapped parking place? I'm calling the ADA!!
Naaaaaaa.... It just means nobody will ever park next to him on the driver side.


Hey Lou! Give me a call... I'll fly down there and hold your beer for you while you're workin!



Posted by: Wicked_LS

Lou i will tell you right now as if you didnt know fropm the sc forums but free your exhaust up completely. my mustang has larger headers no cats 2 1/2 pipes all the way back but that still wasnt enough to prevent the headgasket from going lol well then again i was running 15lbs on stock internals with 150,000 miles lol oh well time to rebuild


Posted by: Quik LS

what I have now is 2.5" piping, and x-pipe and some flowmaster 40s...


Posted by: Putter-GLHT

Don't mention the forced induction 3.0, thats my project for when I finish college a second time...


Posted by: Wicked_LS

carefull with the set up quick my mustang was running 10:1 compression with the same set up and blew a head gasket but then again your boost level is alot lower so you should have no problem IMO


Posted by: Macoffutt

Quik.

Im new here, just found this place the other day when looking for exactly what you seemed to be working on. A Supercharger for my 2000LS. I have been reading backwards out of the anticipation to see the finished progress & I see you mentioned a possible price tag of 4500 dollars. Id just like to say, Id pay it. Would be a damn nice addition to an already damn nice car.


Posted by: FreeFaller

MAN!!! I've been gone for awhile and hadn't seen the finished product yet. Outstanding work Lou!!! You must have engineering in your blood.


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Very nice pic Lou...the intercooler does look very definitive and menacing. I'm not trying to bash ya...just really interested in seeing more pics and some actual stats thats all. I know no one else is in too much of a hurry but I'm all about performance so I of course wanna know what that thing runs and what its dyno sheet says! Again Lou...excellent work thusfar...keep the pics coming! Just like your sig says...

more, more, more...

p.s.

Couldn't you have at least done us the curtousy of stepping outside for the pic?

Those blinds suck!

HAHA. just kidding...


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
Couldn't you have at least done us the curtousy of stepping outside for the pic?

Those blinds suck!
here is a more recent pic (last weekend) taking pics for the 2007 LLSOC calendar....


Posted by: Broke_ls

hey guys i haven't been doing too much with forums lately, actually its been about a year. i remember when you first started talking about the sc on llsoc, glad to see the progress. i cant wait to have one on mine if all goes well! thanks for the hard work!


Posted by: Broke_ls

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Posted by: GranPappy

Alright, I have to throw in my two cents now... First of all... Ive been looking into superchargeing my LS since I bought it almost three years ago and Quick is one of the VERY few people that have had the ballz to try to tackle the project. I got on here today hoping to here about some more progress, but no, I had to skim through almost three pages of un-LS supercharger related garbage. Please people, if your going to post, try to stay on the topic, and take the flaming somewere else.

And for the record, Quick has been one of the most knowledgeful people Ive run across when it comes to the LS. As far as Im concerned, he can take all the time he needs to get everything to his likeing.

And as for him needing to spend more time posting things like video and audio clips here to appease us... Im sure he would if he was some punk @ss kid whom didnt have a job or a family to spend his time with.

Well anyways, Quick, Keep up the good work, and as always, I look forward to hearing about your progress with the project.


Posted by: NYC LS8

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
here is a more recent pic (last weekend) taking pics for the 2007 LLSOC calendar....
Holy hell that thing is hot!!


Posted by: lloydrage

looking good


Posted by: KD00LS

Lou, I was just curious to see how it drives such as traction, how the tranny is holding up, etc.


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Here's a good question. How fast is the supercharged LS? I know everyone hates me for asking' but c'mon now...I know you are all curious. I just wanna know...how fast is it? How much HP does it make? Something?! If the car has been running strong for 4 months I figured for sure Quik woulda been just as excited as me to see some stats on his work...


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by KD00LS
Lou, I was just curious to see how it drives such as traction, how the tranny is holding up, etc.
Good question - I've been going easy on it - sort of - until I can get a whole week without throwing a CEL. I am hoping to get a good tune for a week, pass my inspection - then start hammering on it.

I've just finish my valve cover gaskets - that was a huge job - as we documented in other threads. I had two spark plug wells top full of oil.

This long weekend I'm not traveling so I hopefully should move the needle on this.


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01
I figured for sure Quik woulda been just as excited as me to see some stats on his work...
do you actually think you are more anxious than me? for god's sake - do not start this childishness again.


Posted by: J3FF

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
Good question - I've been going easy on it - sort of - until I can get a whole week without throwing a CEL. I am hoping to get a good tune for a week, pass my inspection - then start hammering on it.

I've just finish my valve cover gaskets - that was a huge job - as we documented in other threads. I had two spark plug wells top full of oil.

This long weekend I'm not traveling so I hopefully should move the needle on this.
Don't work on Thanksgiving bro.


Posted by: mholhut

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
I've just finish my valve cover gaskets - that was a huge job - as we documented in other threads. I had two spark plug wells top full of oil.
Raises the question on the durability of stock gaskets and such. I wonder if boosting the motor will cause problems down the road like this.

Again, another important reason for long-term testing and not simply throwing it all together and just slamming on the car... especially to please the immature


Posted by: mholhut

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
do you actually think you are more anxious than me? for god's sake - do not start this childishness again.
When all you have is a hammer... everything becomes a nail.


Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by mholhut
Raises the question on the durability of stock gaskets and such. I wonder if boosting the motor will cause problems down the road like this.

Again, another important reason for long-term testing and not simply throwing it all together and just slamming on the car... especially to please the immature
yep - I don't know if I always had the issue (like most early LSes) or if I am generating excessive crankcase pressure..... I reviewed all the lines - no boost is getting into the vavle covers.

The other issue that is ever present with supercharged or turboed vechiles is the blow-by from the PVC venting. When I had the intake off for the valve cover job I did notice more than normal (not excessive) amount of oil from the two PVC vent tubes.

I will be installing some catch cans - hopefully this weekend if the parts come in today.... Mike - you still running your catch can?


Posted by: mholhut

I never made one... but I was thinking it would be a good idea in your case, especially now. I hope your head gaskets hold out too.


Posted by: Putter-GLHT

When you have the setup fully completey an in a kit form (if) are you going to make a day of a road course or some type of extended high load and then pull the engine and mic vital things like pistons, have the rods check for straightness, bearings etc?


Posted by: Quik LS

nope - nothing that extensive - but - I will have many, many miles and time on it - and several 100 WOT runs, a few dyno runs (hopefully)....


Posted by: PGA2B

[qutoe]The other issue that is ever present with supercharged or turboed vechiles is the blow-by from the PVC venting. When I had the intake off for the valve cover job I did notice more than normal (not excessive) amount of oil from the two PVC vent tubes.[/quote]On SC'd GM's the excess get cycled back through the throttle body and into the intake.


Posted by: PGA2B

Quote:
The other issue that is ever present with supercharged or turboed vechiles is the blow-by from the PVC venting. When I had the intake off for the valve cover job I did notice more than normal (not excessive) amount of oil from the two PVC vent tubes.
On SC'd GM's the excess get cycled back through the throttle body and into the intake.


Posted by: Quik LS

yep - I guess that is the normal path now for most vehicles since you can't vent the valve covers directly to the air anymore....

the catch cans should allow the PVC venting back into the intake but seperate the oil from the air first. They say it actually improves engine life by reducing the amount of oil entering the intake....


Posted by: b34nz



rofl


Posted by: J3FF

Quote:
Originally Posted by b34nz


rofl
Amazing how we find these things.


Posted by: RollinLS

Any idea on a possible time table for this to hit the market? I am VERY interested in the set-up. Just cyrious to ita availablity.


Posted by: Quik LS

good question - we've been working on tunes all week (family it off visiting) so I've been able to focus on more car.

Installed catch cans (seperate the oil from the PCV venting) this morning - I'll post about that later.

Working on my brakes tomorrow - and more tunes.

If I can pass my emissions in the next week or two - it will be dyno time - and we'll be able to start the next car.

This is of course dependant on the dyno numbers and if they are good enough. If not we'll start trying some diffenert combinations of larger injectors and pulley sizes.

So far - I am running very fat - so we have not seen any issue with the 2005 Mustang GT injectors or the stock fuel pump - but haven't tuned it for performance number yet either....

Emission is the focus right now.


Posted by: Boomhower

Quote:
Originally Posted by Putter-GLHT
When you have the setup fully completely an in a kit form (if) are you going to make a day of a road course
It seems that this project is coming closer and closer to a finished completion. And you know, this comment above actually gives me an idea.

Quik, what if you did make a day at a road course, drag strip, etc. and there were a butt load of LS's there to watch. Maybe a small unveiling for the hard work you have put into this project. Would you be up for it?

And if Quik is up for it, how many ppl would be willing to support this idea?


Posted by: Bozz

I might be interested in coming in from Tampa to see this! Doubt I'll drive out there though, 16+ hours doesn't thrill me much anymore by car (regardless of how sweet the LS is).

On Friday, I showed pics of Quik's car to a co-worker who is a total car buff, and he agreed the fabricating work, and the general look of the lowered car with all the things done to it -- looks AWESOME!

Keep up the good work dude.
Bozz


Posted by: Putter-GLHT

Ya, and it also makes me realize how poor my proof reading is sometimes: "fully competely an in a kit" instead of fully completed in a...


Posted by: RollinLS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
good question - we've been working on tunes all week (family it off visiting) so I've been able to focus on more car.

Installed catch cans (seperate the oil from the PCV venting) this morning - I'll post about that later.

Working on my brakes tomorrow - and more tunes.

If I can pass my emissions in the next week or two - it will be dyno time - and we'll be able to start the next car.

This is of course dependant on the dyno numbers and if they are good enough. If not we'll start trying some diffenert combinations of larger injectors and pulley sizes.

So far - I am running very fat - so we have not seen any issue with the 2005 Mustang GT injectors or the stock fuel pump - but haven't tuned it for performance number yet either....

Emission is the focus right now.
I am lucky. I just moved to an area that emissions are not tested.

Good thing too. I don't thing the L67/3800sc swap in my Beretta would have pasted.


Posted by: 00HotRodLincoln

Ok so I have been looking at this post for a while. I used to have a turbo car and the sounds and powers it held were something known to man as pride. Well that and my corvette both which the turbo blew a rod through the block and the vette is sitting with a spun crank needing to be rebuilt. So anyways I had no cars to drive so I bought my ls. It has about 77k and im still paying payments on it. I also have a nissan maxima I am planning to replace the motor with one I got off craigslist for 100 dollars. So my maxima is going to be the commuter while I if I can save up and get a bad ass lincoln setup. Since with my job at about 9 miles to the gallon avg delivering subs is unefficient. So I just said hell with it why not instead of the semi fast gas hog make it a gas eating badass corvette eating chick magnet. If its at all possible. I looked at the supercharged and the turbo charged and looked for the most dont f*** with piping .etc pop in bolt on make some parts and go. Not stating a cake walk install but at least not a cake walk marathon when does this ish end install. So I did alot of reading and looking and I might have found a m90 but have to wait to get it. Not sure how its going to turn out but once I get a charger its on like donkey kong. So anyways it looks like if it goes out as planned I might be working alot more than planned. So heres my concern with all of this. I have approx 5 to 4 years left to pay for this car. I have been having a problem with oil leakage somewhere. But heres something that im sketch about. So i bought the car with 65k on it and have to have a few things fixed. 1st thing was valve cover gasket leaked into coils so it cost 600 bucks maybe more. I thought u had to change the oil after a valve cover gasket job. I was wrong I drove it for around 10k miles without a oil change. So I finally changed the oil it was a bad move on my part not changing it but I also didnt have a job so that was even more hard to do. Long story short I had a few times I would pull the dipstick and it was really low so I added oil as nessicary. I have changed the oil regularly after all this but have noticed some noise in the engine. I took it to the shop they said it was fine but its bugging the hell out of me. So mainly its when its hot and i drop it from neutral to drive it makes a rattling noise like a click click click that fades in and out at times. I am hoping rod bearings are ok but I dont know. Do any ones ls's make weird noises like that? I just want to keep everything kosher on it because 5 years of paying to a dead car is like paying off your ex's credit card at jcpenny. So whats the gas mileage and stuff on this supercharged ls quick is giving me wet dreams about? Any luck on the rear end? Truthfully I dispise my rear end and the trac control is an everyday push the off button because the tires on the back are smaller than the front. I have daton daytona 16s on the back and stock on the front but the way it is right now 60 on a 15 mph off ramp is so heart pumping compared to the other ones I had that almost abs'ed me into an divider a while back. I just got ceramic pads and new rotors all round so its almost all done. I just need to kill the squeak in the front rotors because I havent replaced them yet. Theyre sitting in the garage waiting to be put on. But tell me if u know where do I get this rear end and do I need a tranny? Im wondering u mentioned the mustang rear end but what about a sc bird rear? I knew someone that had one and it had "posi" or locking I dont know but it spun 2 not 1 tires. If I get this m90 I will need some pointers. Hopefully its not rainy tommorow and I can get the motor in my maxima and get more money saved up driving that for a bit. Either that or look on craigslist for a geo. By the way excellent job on the posts quick that ls looks like something u would see on batman with the flames coming out the back. Now one thing im curious about is how is the blow off on a sc than a tc? I know I met alot of people with my tc sr20det nissan 240. Is the power more high rpm or what with the sc? I know with the tc if u kept it in 3000 rpm and got to about 5 to fast it would have u sideways. It the sc more instant then dies off at faster speed or what? I got my ls to about 145 would the sc eliminate that? Sorry about all the questions but if I get the m90 either im gonna have to pay someone to do it or im going to end up paying to put my car to the ground or im going to do it right and get my moneys worth. Thank you very much and again beautiful car and beautiful progress. Mike


Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS
good question - we've been working on tunes all week (family it off visiting) so I've been able to focus on more car.

Installed catch cans (seperate the oil from the PCV venting) this morning - I'll post about that later.

Working on my brakes tomorrow - and more tunes.

If I can pass my emissions in the next week or two - it will be dyno time - and we'll be able to start the next car.

This is of course dependant on the dyno numbers and if they are good enough. If not we'll start trying some diffenert combinations of larger injectors and pulley sizes.

So far - I am running very fat - so we have not seen any issue with the 2005 Mustang GT injectors or the stock fuel pump - but haven't tuned it for performance number yet either....

Emission is the focus right now.



Posted by: Quik LS

Quote:
Originally Posted by RollinLS
I am lucky. I just moved to an area that emissions are not tested. - YET!!
fixed!

Texas only adopted them 2 years ago in the county where I live.... Alot of the 1000hp street cars are sucking wind now.


Posted by: Quik LS

We are increasing cylinder pressures so a good, strong (fairly young) working motor is critical since we really don’t know how much extra the motor already at 10.55:1 compression can take….

Quote:
So whats the gas mileage and stuff on this supercharged ls quick is giving me wet dreams about?
My current mileage is high 13’s - low 15’s driving easy but with as very fat fat tune. Which isn't much different than I was getting before SC.

Quote:
Any luck on the rear end?
I have a used LS diff housing with a T2 Torsen rear installed in it - for a 98 Cobra. I have not yet set pre-loads or back-lash but everything seems to fit. That will be the next project.

Quote:
Now one thing im curious about is how is the blow off on a sc than a tc?
The SC does not use a blow off valve - typically - since the blower is driven off the engine rpm directly the pressure drops as the engine rpm drops. Unlike the turbo - where once spun up can keep spinning - so you have to add a blow off valve to dump the excess boost when not needed.

Quote:
It the sc more instant then dies off at faster speed or what?
Yes - the SC is typically a better choice for V8 low boost applications since the SC make boost at lower rpms - adding low end hp/torque. The efficiencies of an SC fall off at higher rpms - heat and the max limit is about 14,000 rpm - so we have to design the proper rpm into the pulley size, belt rotation, engine rpm.

Quote:
I got my ls to about 145 would the sc eliminate that?
Nope - it all has to do with engine rpm - not car speed.


Posted by: NateRW21

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik LS

I have a used LS diff housing with a T2 Torsen rear installed in it - for a 98 Cobra. I have not yet set pre-loads or back-lash but everything seems to fit. That will be the next project.
Okay so you're telling me that it would appear right now that an 8.8 diff will fit into the LS's 8" housing?!?!?!?!?!? Are there any modifications required?!? Is the 8" housing actually an 8.8 then?? Please, do explain into this further!!!


Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

Like Quik says...a s/c doesn't use a BOV. It uses boost bypass instead. You have to have something, or when you lifted the throttle while you were boosted, real ugly things would happen.


Posted by: daves2000ls

quik, this might sound kind of silly but, what was your base run on a dyno if any? just wondering so when you dyno it with the sc we'll know how much you gained. good luck and god speed.


Posted by: m1i2k9e

I was wondering the same exact thing. Or if you haven't reached that point what your estimates are/will be.


Posted by: Quik LS

our goal is between 80 and 120 hp - not sure where we are yet.


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

How long has the SC been running strong now? like 4 or 5 months? I can't believe I'm the only person who thinks that it is odd that there are no nubmers, stats, videos etc.....


Posted by: Quik LS

you again - eh?

I'll post up some of the things we've done over the past month.

My goal it to pass emissions first - then tune for performance (as I've said several times).

Yes - I been running for about 4 months now. Can't go a week without throwing a code - mostly lean or mis-fire. So that has been my focus - I actually threw a 'system took too long to reach temp' over the Christmas break - we were tuning and it was too cold outside for my 'thermostat-less' car...

so in the past 90days I :
- did my VC gaskets - two of the plugs well were filled to the top with oil.
- swapped both my fuel pump and fuel transfer pump
- re-built the SC snout to cure a small oil leak (it was a used SC)
- added oil catch cans in the PCV venting to reduce the amount of oil scavenging into the intake
- re-worked my ABS to add line-locks
- started working on the Torsen rear end (took it apart started reading)

We have run about 10 different tunes over the Christmas - new years break.

So far I have not thrown a code this week - I'm off to Montreal tomorrow. If it continues the following week - then I'm heading in for the emissions test.

Emissions is my focus since the color of the sticker changed 01/01/07 - so I'll be very easy to spot that I have not passed.

one problem I have not being able to fix is - I cannot record the MAF_Counts on the LiveLink software from SCT. My strategy does not even show MAF_Counts, and if I back code the strategy to an older version the MAF_Count do not record. This is a key tuning parameter - so I have logged a support issue with SCT to get that corrected.


Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

At least I got a solid update from ya! hahaha. Sounds like a lot of work! Hope it's all paying off...being able to drive a supercharged LS to work everyday must be great! ;0)


Posted by: Quik LS

next time - just ask - I don't hold anything back.




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