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Which Chip?

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Posted by: 98MarkVIIICE

I haven't even taken delivery of my 98 LSC CE yet, but I'm already thinking ahead to making mods. The first thing I intend to do, besides for replacing all fluids, plugs, etc., will be to install a K&N Air Filter and some kind of chip. I have done a little preliminary research and have come across the Superchips MAX Micro Tuner and the Jet PCM. Any suggestions as to which chip or tuner is best for my Mark? What kind of HP gains can I expect from these two simple mods? Jet claims 14-16hp gains, but I don't see numbers for the Superchip tuner. By my estimates, with these two simple mods, my Mark should ring in at a little over 305 hp after the mods. Any help would be appreciated.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Call me up for the chip, don't bother with the K&N panel filter, do the maf kit and make a real difference.

Posted by: BlackMark8Li

I wouldn't go with either jet or superchips.. I have had genos chip in my 93 but in my 96 I am using dennis' chip. I like them both.. however I really want to save up and get a custom dyno tune, thats the most bang for the buck. it'll be more than a regular chip tho. you really won't see crazy h.p gains with just a chip.

Posted by: fossten

Will the MAF kit make a difference by itself, or do I have to get a chip for it to work right?

Posted by: JoeyLincolnMK8

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Originally Posted by fossten

Will the MAF kit make a difference by itself, or do I have to get a chip for it to work right?

you need chip it for it work right. it is like with every other performace upgrade you do, you have to reflash the chip.

Posted by: bigdog1279

i have hear lots of good talk about SCT
when im ready that where im rotting to
that where you should go also man

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

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Originally Posted by BlackMark8Li

I wouldn't go with either jet or superchips.. I have had genos chip in my 93 but in my 96 I am using dennis' chip. I like them both.. however I really want to save up and get a custom dyno tune, thats the most bang for the buck. it'll be more than a regular chip tho. you really won't see crazy h.p gains with just a chip.

This statement always amazes me, you wont feel any ral hp gains with just a chip but a dyno tune is better? OK well how do you think the chips programs were originally created? On a DYNO?

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Will the MAF kit make a difference by itself, or do I have to get a chip for it to work right?

The maf kit works fine without a chip, a chip will fully benifit the airflow but you can go without a chip np.

Posted by: BlackMark8Li

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

This statement always amazes me, you wont feel any ral hp gains with just a chip but a dyno tune is better? OK well how do you think the chips programs were originally created? On a DYNO?

I understand what your saying but each car is different and reacts different to mods, some people can gain 10h.p per mod some may get only 5h.p. . I'd rather also be there while they tune it, to see how things work and what they are doing as opposed to just plugging in a chip. and I never said you wouldn't feel any gains... you'll def feel the chip, you probally won't get 20h.p just by adding a chip.. again all cars are different.

and I am not trying to argue with you or say your chip doesn't work. I was trying to get your chip but you didn't have my code and said it could take weeks or months to get that code.

Posted by: meangy9

I Put In My Maf Like 4 Months Ago And I Can Honestly Say That I Don't Feel A Difference. It Sounds Alot Meaner Though.maybe It's Just Me.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by meangy9

I Put In My Maf Like 4 Months Ago And I Can Honestly Say That I Don't Feel A Difference. It Sounds Alot Meaner Though.maybe It's Just Me.

Run it at the track, 3 runs with and 3 runs without, you will see a minimum of 1 tenth.

Posted by: Lugi20

Quote:

Originally Posted by meangy9

I Put In My Maf Like 4 Months Ago And I Can Honestly Say That I Don't Feel A Difference. It Sounds Alot Meaner Though.maybe It's Just Me.

I put my MAF in about 2 months ago, and I most deffinetly noticed a difference in the speed, especially above 3000 rpm. I honestly don't notice that much difference in sound, but then again I don't hear too much in my car besides the crazy speakers & sub I threw in there.

Posted by: Bates93Mark8

if your going to do the maf with the ice box i believe you need to do exhaust to because if you have more air in and it cant get out then you still have a problem and the stock exhaust sucks

Posted by: brendangillespie

I've got a Diablo Motorsport SuperChip in mine and I love it!

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

If you plan on getting more mods, you should go with an SCT so you can get your chip reflashed when you add gears or converter

Posted by: XLRVIII

I have the sct pro racer package, while it is more expensive than a chip alone it's much more effective as you get to custom tailor your tune to your individual preferences.

Considering that shift points, and torque convertor lock up schedules are very subjective to "opinion and preference", the SCT PRP package makes changing/adjusting your tune "point click tune" easy!

I have had chips from many vendors, each had their own benifits and drawbacks..the SCT PRP package gave me the ability to "take things I liked" from each of the tunes..and custom create a tune for MY preferences, rather than "what someone else" thinks my car should be doing.

Feel free to PM me for details, if there is anything I can do to help.. I'd be glad to.

-regards
Tommy

Posted by: Rich88LSC

An Xcal will let you adjust shift points and firmness. Not TC lockup though.

Posted by: jbird97

+1 for Xcal, got mine from Lonnie at Blue Oval Chips, I'd recommend goin with him.

Posted by: XLRVIII

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Originally Posted by Rich88LSC

An Xcal will let you adjust shift points and firmness. Not TC lockup though.

If you program the Xcxal with the SCT PRP then you make the TC lock up adjustments in the software before you push the file to the Xcal.
Then you have minor adjustments such as you mentioned on the xcal itself.

The majority of the changes are made before the Xcal is even brought into the equation.

Posted by: Staffamerica74

I bought the sniper waiting for it to arrive though.

Posted by: crownvicjim

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

This statement always amazes me, you wont feel any ral hp gains with just a chip but a dyno tune is better? OK well how do you think the chips programs were originally created? On a DYNO?

then how come so many people complain about their chips? id never get a chip w/o it on a dyno. have read too many horror stories.

Posted by: Jeffguy11

i wouldnt do the maf kit unless you plan on fabbing up some sort of box to keep hot air out... without this, i doubt you would see any track difference since the hot air is gonna just gather under your hood and get sucked in when you take off.

Posted by: kustomizingkid

How did this post get brought back to life?

Posted by: XLRVIII

Quote:

Originally Posted by kustomizingkid

How did this post get brought back to life?

(puts on a dunce cap)
my bad, I clicked a link at the bottom of the page that was a "related link" and revived a 3 year old thread.
*embarrassed look*

Posted by: Jeffguy11

haha wow i didnt even realize how old this was!

Posted by: The Rev

Funny part was everyone *including myself now* starting chiming in.

For the intake - > above 3000rpm on the highway I love the whistling sound, feels more powerful.

For the chip -> not gonna see full results until I do my exhaust and 02s.

Posted by: topher5150

is there a chip that will get you some half way decent results, plug and play, with out having to get it reflashed

Posted by: XLRVIII

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98MarkVIIICE

I have done a little preliminary research and have come across the Superchips MAX Micro Tuner.

I used the MaxMicrotuner on my 98 LSC for about a month
( I borrowed it from a friend)

I used it in the time between getting my SCT package transferred from my first gen to my second gen.

It did a great job for a stock car and I was very pleased with the shifts and the cars performance.

If you look on www.mark8.org for username Stone17 he has the device that I had on my second gen.
You might be able to talk him into selling it for ALOT LESS than what you will pay for a new one.

I think MSRP on them is 350ish if I'm not mistaken.
Stone17/glen might sell it for half of that.

Posted by: Jeffguy11

ive got an xcal 2 with a tune from dennis swinehart..uh..reinhart. Didn't really notice much with power but the shift characteristics alone were worth it! Even dennis told me to put the thing on a dyno for real gains.

Posted by: Rich88LSC

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Originally Posted by crownvicjim

then how come so many people complain about their chips? id never get a chip w/o it on a dyno. have read too many horror stories.

Geno is right BUT
a. since every car is different running your car on a dyno will be able to fine tune your car. Mail order tunes do come from running a similar make and model on the dyno but are usually a little more on the safe side because of the differences between cars. and
b. who does the tune makes difference. Any Joe Smoe can buy what the need from SCT/Diablo/etc and start trying to sell tunes over the internet or put and add in the back of a magazine. It doesn't mean the tune will give you any power or worse cause problems. I got my Xcal from Lonnie @ BOC and am happy. Geno and Lidio are a couple others I would feel confident getting a tune from.
c.

happens parts can be bad, programs can have errors, the car could have been neglected and cant keep up with the new tune. Doesn't mean the tune is bad or the guy doing the programing sucks. I got a new tune from Lonnie for the 4.10s before he moved his shop and the serial number was wrong in the file so it would not load into the Xcal. As soon as Lonnie could he had a new tune emailed to me and followed up to make sure it worked. Honest mistake and he corrected it without a hassle to me. I still wouldn't hesitate to recommend him.