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QUICK! Should I buy this LS ??

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Posted by: Pining4Parchment

I have a quick oppertunity to buy a 2000 LS V8 for $12'200. Two owners in Florida only, 63'000 miles. Dealer assures me everything works perfectly and says when I fly in I can take the car to any of 4 local dealerships to have it check over and ANY problems fixed buy him. Sounds like an honest guy. It is the only color I have wanted for this car, Ivory Parchment. Beautiful. Here are my questions for you owners.. ALL comments today are appreciated!!!

Is this a deal?
What should I have checked out when I arrive?
It has 16" tires. What WIDTH of tires will fit on 17" or 18" wheels?
Where do I get a deal on wheels?

I love everything about the 2000 body style. I do not like the 2004 changes, so..

Did Lincoln make exteriour changes to the 2001-2003 models? If so, can I make a 2003 look exactly like a 2000 with parts alone? (or are there body panel changes?)

What is the last year they painted the LS in Ivory Parchment? I do not see it for the 2005's.
Does anyone know the official name and paint code for this color?

Basically, if I don't buy this "perfect looking" 2000 LS today, I want one that looks exactly like it sometime, and time is rusting away on the 2000's. Can I wait for a 2003 in 2 or 3 years? Should I wait? Or is this a deal? Thanks for any answers!!

-Dano

Posted by: FreeFaller

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pining4Parchment

Is this a deal?
What should I have checked out when I arrive?
It has 16" tires. What WIDTH of tires will fit on 17" or 18" wheels?
Where do I get a deal on wheels?

I love everything about the 2000 body style. I do not like the 2004 changes, so..

Did Lincoln make exteriour changes to the 2001-2003 models? If so, can I make a 2003 look exactly like a 2000 with parts alone? (or are there body panel changes?)

What is the last year they painted the LS in Ivory Parchment? I do not see it for the 2005's.
Does anyone know the official name and paint code for this color?

Basically, if I don't buy this "perfect looking" 2000 LS today, I want one that looks exactly like it sometime, and time is rusting away on the 2000's. Can I wait for a 2003 in 2 or 3 years? Should I wait? Or is this a deal? Thanks for any answers!!

-Dano

Actually the major changes to the LS took place in 2003. But I digress...

Make sure you check out the vehicle very well. 63,000 may not seem like alot of miles but in stop and go traffic with a lead foot it can be much worse than 150,000 highway miles. Pay particular attention to the transmission as this is the LS's weak spot.

You can get tires down in the 215 range to fit 17" wheels. Width really is not a limiting factor.

There isn't much you can change on a 03 and newer to make it look pre-03. It really depends on what it is about the 03''s and up you don't like...

BTW, welcome to

Posted by: Pining4Parchment

Thanks for the quick reply. Go Airforce. I'm in the Canadian Airforce myself, flying our country's Search and Rescue helicopter. This would be my first trip down to Florida and I'm a little hesitant to buy a car sight unseen. Is there something specific that might hint to a bad transmission during a test drive?

So it was the 2003 models that went up to 280 horses was it? Good to know. I didn't dig the new tail lights, headlights, or fog lamps. Or anything else external they might have changed, I guess. The 04's are nice.. but the 2000 is perfect in my mind. My options are this.. buy this ideal looking car today, in 2 hours, or wait 2 years for a 2002 to come along. The 2002 would have to be from the southern U.S. (dry climate) and this "ivory parchment clear coat, tri-coat." (I think thats what its called) And the same low price would be nice too. I bought the plane ticket a week ago, but have a few hours to cancel. Thanks to anyone else with an answer to any one of my many questions above. Very happy there is this forum to read for some honest advise on these cars.
-Dan

Posted by: captainalias

I'd say be careful; 63K is a good amount of mileage, and 2000 wasn't exactly the most trouble free year for the car. You can pay a few thousand more to get a 2002 with low mileage for about 15-16K.

Posted by: Pining4Parchment

Thanks for that. You perhaps just made up my mind. Would you say improvements were made between 2000 and 2002 models? Examples? Anyone? Can anyone confirm that the 2002's still come in ivory parchment. Thanks again. Still watching this thread liek a hawk for 2 hours.
-Dan

Posted by: FreeFaller

Yes, 2002's came in ivory parchment.

I know what you mean about the mulitcolor taillights...looks kinda like an old accord IMHO.

Posted by: SurfjaxLS

Go with a 2002 if you can find one. I have a 2000, and have had the valve cover gaskets replaced along with all the coil packs. It was't cheap to do either. If you really want the 2000 you found, check to see if the car has been brought in for blown coil packs multiple times. If so, the gaskets are probably bad. Also, the 2000 cup holder is more of a can holder, even though it looks cool, it hate it.

Posted by: GrayGhost1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pining4Parchment

Thanks for that. You perhaps just made up my mind. Would you say improvements were made between 2000 and 2002 models? Examples? Anyone? Can anyone confirm that the 2002's still come in ivory parchment. Thanks again. Still watching this thread liek a hawk for 2 hours.
-Dan

Here are Engineering Changes to the 2000 - 2001 - 2002 - 2003 - 2004 Lincoln LS:

07/15/99 - V8 Rear end changed to 3.31 was 3.58
07/15/99 - V6 MTX rear end changed to 3.07, was 3.31 *
07/15/99 - Autumn Red paint replaces Cordovan
Sep 99 - Base models start shipping with wood trim steering wheel.
12/15/99 - PCM Software Updated
Jan 00 - Seat heating elements revised
02/28/00 - Sport: spare tire changed to 16" full size on a steel wheel - was 17" on super silver wheel
02/28/00 - Sport Model: Sub-Woofers deleted from Alpine Audio
02/28/00 - V8 Models: Adjustable rear headrests deleted
02/28/00 - V8 Models: Rear Half-Shafts updated
02/28/00 - Front Sub-frame connectors (re-inforcements) added. f/r weight balance is now 52/48 - V6 & 53/47 - V8, was 51/49 - V6 & 52/48 - V8
02/28/00 - Rear upper shock absorber mounts changed
07/17/00 - Start of production for 2001 Model Year Lincoln LS:
------ Cup holders on console changed, larger, folding cover deleted
------ Traction control added to V6 MTX (standard)
------ Advance Track now optional on V6 MTX
------ Glow in the dark manual trunk release
------ Rear seat child seat tethers changed
------ Power point added to rear of console
------ Valet Key (switch) added
------ Compass added to electrochromic rear view mirror
------ V8 emblem added to passenger side tail light on V8 models
------ Chrome 17" 5 spoke wheels optional on Sport, Std. Premium
------ Polished 5 spoke 16" wheels now standard on Base V6 & V8 models
------ Premium Package added
------ 6 CD in dash changer now standard with Sport & Premium models
------ RESCU option is deleted
------ New paint colors: Medium Charcoal Green, Medium Cypress Green, Pearl Blue, Aqua Blue, Ceramic White (Premium model only)
------ Deleted paint colors: Dark Green Satin, Graphite Blue, Deep Wedgewood Blue, Vibrant White, Estate Green
Aug 00 - 5R55N 1st gear ratio changed to 3.22, was 3.25. This also changes 2nd to 2.42, was 2.44.
10/18/00 - PCM code updated effective
Dec 00 - Analog cell phone option (code 518) discontinued
Mar 01 - Sport & Premium spare changed to 17" mini - was 16" full size on steel wheel.
Jun 01 - PCM calibration updated - note the software is the same as the Nov 00 update, New update just corrects which models it is applicable to.
07/16/01 - Start of production for the 2002 Model Year Lincoln LS:
------ Intake air-box changed
------ V6 Exhaust system changed
------ V6 HP 220 @ 6,400 RPM, Torque 215 ft lb @ 4,800 RPM (was 210 @ 6,500 / 205 @ 4,750).
------ V8 torque is now specified as 261 ft. lb. @ 4,300 RPM (was 267)
------ 6 CDX in dash now standard on all models
------ 7 spoke 16" brushed alumium wheels replace 5 spoke (std base models)
------ 7 spoke polished 16" wheels now optional on base models
------ Full Alpine system with sub woofers standard on Sport.
------ All Season Package, heated seats & Advance Track replaces stand alone options.
------ Aspen Green paint color replaces Medium Charcoal Green
------ VCS system now optinal uses Motorola Timeport phone and requires Sprint airtime.
------ Model arrays V6 Base, V6 Convenience, V6 Sport replace package options (i.e. Sport PKg, Conven Pkg etc.)
------ Valet switch deleted
------ 132 MPH Governor added to V8 models
------ Engine oil is now 5w20 synthetic blend (was 5w30 conventional)
Sep 01 - V8: Cam chains changed to eliminate resonance (whine)
Sep 01 - 5R55N 5th gear changed to .71 (was .75) 2nd becomes 2.29 (was 2.42)
Sep 01 - RPM of 1st to 2nd gear upshift is increased
Jan 02 - Rear Half-shafts updated
Jan 02 - Silver Birch paint color replaces Silver Frost
Jan 02 - Charcoal Grey paint color replaces Midnight Grey
Jan 02 - Retainers for wire in power window mechanisms changed to metal part.
Jan 02 - LSE Model added, Black or Silver Birch colors only
Feb 02 - Vivid Red Color optional at extra cost for limited time.
Aug 02 - Vivid Red Color in no longer orderable
Jun 02 - Headlamp covers revised
07/15/02 - LS V8's start shipping with FL-218 oil filters (was FL-2008)
10/21/02 - Production start of model year 2003 Lincoln LS
------ 3.0L V6 Engine: Variable cam timing is added, new intake manifold, new exhaust manifolds. Ratings are now 232 HP @ 6750 RPM and 220 lb. ft @ 4500 RPM
------ 3.9L V8 Engine: Variable cam timing is added, new intake manifold, new 4 into 2 into 1 dual chamber exhaust manifolds, new cold air / throttle body arrangement, compression ratio is now 10.75:1 (was 10.55:1) and new fine tooth cam chains. Ratings are now 280 HP @ 6,000 RPM and 286 lb. ft. @ 4,000 RPM
------ Electronic throttle control is added
------ PCM code is extensively updated for new engines & ECT
------ Redesigned engine mounts (V6 & V8)
------ Engine fan is electric (was Hydraulic)
------ Alternator and power steering pump updated to reduce noise
------ V8 rear end ratio is now 3.58:1 (was 3.31:1)
------ Exhaust systems are updated
------ Polished straight back exhaust tips are added
------ ZF Servotronic II Steering box replaces Visteon unit
------ 5R55S (synchronous shift) transmission replaces 5R55N
------ SST now allows 1st gear starts in SST mode
------ Sport models now use aluminum rear brake calipers
------ Revised suspention tuning including larger shock absorbers and new anti-sway bars
------ Advance Track software is updated, to improve understeer control
------ Rear shock absorbers now have internal rebound springs
------ Spring rates are reduced by 10%
------ Updated hollow rear axle shafts
------ Tuned masses added inside front doors to reduce vibration resonance
------ Cabin sealing is improved by 20%
------ Front center arm rest has a sliding cover
------ Electric emergency brake assist is added
------ Front & Rear subframe mounts are updated
------ V6, 5 speed manual transmission model is no longer available
------ Electric Parking Brake replaces manual parking brake
------ Console is updated and enlarged
------ Heated and Cooled front seats ( 3 range) replace 1 range heated only seats (not available on base models).
------ Heated rear seats are now optionally available.
------ V6 base & Premium models now come with P225/55VR16 tires (was P215).
------ Automatic Windshield wipers are updated Generation II system.
------ THX Audio / DVD Navigation System now optional
------ Rear Parking Assist now optional
------ HID Headlamps now available (V8 Models only)
------ Front and Rear facias are updated
------ Fog Lamps now have round reflectors
------ Front Grille has chrome trim around the entire grille
------ Front Grille vertical blades are different in shape and color
------ Rear tail lamps are smaller and now have multi-color lenses
------ Rear licence plate trim is revised.
------ Folding rear view mirrors added to Premium Models
------ Puddle lamps added to rear view mirrors
------ Electrochromic driver's side rear view mirror added (Sport & Premium)
------ Keypad entry added to driver's side door
------ Front windows are now one touch automatic down and up
------ Power adjustable pedals added
------ Center brake light is now "high mounted" at top of rear window and uses LED's
------ Numerous interior updates include enlarged storage compartments, material upgrades.
------ Sunglass compartment added to front of headliner.
------ Dash board center stack is now Satin Nickel finish (was black).
------ Moldings below doors are now 1 piece
------ Instrument cluster graphics are changed
------ Interior grab handels now are folding with damped mechanisms.
------ Sun visors are now dual units.
------ Air Bag restraint system is now new generation Advanced driver and front passenger dual stage with occupant position, weight and seatbelt usage sensors.
------ Front & rear floormats are now 20 -oz. Shiva carpet with Maslite backing.
------ Rear seat reading lamps are now directional.
------ Base models now come with Black Laquer interior trim panels, all leather steering wheel and leather shift knob.
------ Sport models now come standard with Aluminum interior trim panels
------ Premium models now come with real American Walnut Wood interior trim panels.
------ Base model audio system now comes with single CD and audio cassette.
------ Premium models now have larger headrests which include adjustable rear headrests.
------ Glove Box CD changer is no longer available.
------ New 7 (14) spoke 17" machined wheels on Sport models
------ New 8 spoke 17" chrome wheels on Premium Sport models
------ New 11 spoke 16" painted wheels standard on V6 Premium & V8 Base
------ New 11 spoke 16" polished wheels optional on Premium model
------ New paint colors: Medium Steel Blue Metallic, Light Tundra Metallic, True Blue Metallic
------ Ceramic White paint is now optional Tri-Coat at extra cost and available on all models
------ Deleted paint colors: Medium Cypress Green , Aqua Blue, Pearl Blue, White Pearl Tri-Coat
------ New Two-Tone Interior colors: Dark Ash / Medium Ash, Espresso / Medium Light Stone, Black
------ Deleted interior colors: Light Graphite, Truffle, Light Parchment, Medium Parchment, Deep Charcoal
03/03/03 - Side Curtain front airbags now optional
03/03/03 - Aspen Green Metallic paint is discontinued
03/03/03 - Vivid Red Metallic paint is again orderable, option at extra cost.
03/03/03 - Interior wood trim option now available on V8 Sport models
07/14/03 - Scheduled date for start of production on 2004 model year Lincoln LS
------ V6 Luxury Array replaces V6 Base Array
------ V8 Ultimate Array replaces V8 Premium Sport Array
------ Heated and cooled seats are now and option on V6 Premium and V8 Sport (was std.)
------ HID headlamps are now optional on V8 Ultimate (was std.)
------ HID headlamps are now available as an option of V6 Premiuim
------ Moonroof is now an option on V6 Premuim array (was std).
------ Moisture sensitive windshield wiper function deleted from all models.
------ Rear Park Assist and Side Curtain Air bags only available bundled in "Safety and Parking Option".
------ Lincoln Soundmark label now used on Alpine & THX systems
------ Soundmark systems now have provision for Sirius satellite radio (late availability).
------ Sirius Satellite radio optional as dealer installed kit (late availability).
------ Front Grille ribs are now painted "Mediuim Platinum" was argent grey.
------ Complementary maintenance now 12 months / 12,000 miles (was 36 / 36,000)
------ Deleted Paint Colors: Ivory Parchment Tri-Coat & Light Parchment Gold Metallic
------ New Paint Colors: Cashmere Metallic tri-coat and Light French Silk Metallic
------ Deleted Interior Colors: Espresso/Medium Light Stone & Dark Ash/ Medium Ash
------ New Interior Colors: Dark Stone/Medium Light Stone and Shale/Dove

* '00 MY V6 MTX models were late availability. It is not clear if any V6 MTX models with 3.31 were actually shipped to dealer / customer orders.

Posted by: captainalias

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pining4Parchment

It seems that 2002 and 2004 are probably the most reliable years for the LS, with the '02 year being the most reliable out of the pre-03 LSes. '02s can be had for just a bit over your price of $12K.

Posted by: ohioLS

I bought my 2000 LS8 Sport back in November with 51,249 miles on it and havent had one tiny problem yet. Dave Knapp Ford dealership ran background check on it seeing it was bought there orginally and serviced there also and it came back with a couple recalls and airbag light sensor, that was it. I willnt say that 00s are perfect but there seem to be a select few that are and I guess I am one of them.
KNOCK ON WOOD!
Good luck!

-Scott-

ps If you really want it ask for the VIN# and run a carfax report on it, before you fly to sunny, hot, humid, and rainy Florida.

Posted by: captainalias

Maybe it's just me, but $12K for a 5 year old car with 63000 miles on it seems like a lot!

Posted by: ohioLS

Not really too hateful seeing that it was a 40-46k orginally!

-Scott-

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainalias

Maybe it's just me, but $12K for a 5 year old car with 63000 miles on it seems like a lot!

Posted by: Motts

put it this way I paid 11995 with 30k miles on my v6, they had a v8 with 39k miles for 14995 with a WARRANTY!!... I think that you are gona want something with a warranty. Ecspecially with all of the problems you MAY encounter.. some get lucky and dont have any problems but with a 2000 being the first yr, you never know...
I would keep looking, you'll find a better deal!

Posted by: Pining4Parchment

Such good stuff. Thanks guys. I'll pour over the changes Ghost posted. I see a couple of 02 models posted on eBay listed as "Ivory Pearl." I'm guessing they mean the "Ivory Parchment Tri-Coat", or has someone heard of Ivory Pearl as well?

10/21/02 "..SST now allows 1st gear starts in SST mode.."

SST? I think I remember in 2000 the cars would not start off of the line in 1st gear. So if I read above correctly, they changed this on the 2003 model? If so, why the following from Ghost's list..
"..Sep 01 - RPM of 1st to 2nd gear upshift is increased.."

Is there a way to get into first gear for a fast start on a 2000 or 2002?

Posted by: Black03

I'm guessing if somebody says Ivory, Cream, or Pearl they are all talkingabout the same color, Ivory Parchment Tri-Coat.

Posted by: FreeFaller

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pining4Parchment

Such good stuff. Thanks guys. I'll pour over the changes Ghost posted. I see a couple of 02 models posted on eBay listed as "Ivory Pearl." I'm guessing they mean the "Ivory Parchment Tri-Coat", or has someone heard of Ivory Pearl as well?

10/21/02 "..SST now allows 1st gear starts in SST mode.."

SST? I think I remember in 2000 the cars would not start off of the line in 1st gear. So if I read above correctly, they changed this on the 2003 model? If so, why the following from Ghost's list..
"..Sep 01 - RPM of 1st to 2nd gear upshift is increased.."

Is there a way to get into first gear for a fast start on a 2000 or 2002?

Yes, if the appropriate amount of pedal is given it will perform a really abrubt "drop" into first allowing you to upshift from 1st. Kinda quirky but I guess that's how they got around the gas-guzzler tax. At least that's the word on the street...

Posted by: 01lssport

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pining4Parchment

Its paint code HC, ivory parchment pearl tricoat. There was only one other tri coat paint job for the 00 - 02 cars and I think it was a white pearl.

Posted by: Grey Navi

I know of a 2002 Ls v8 with the grey interior and the light silver ext. It has the sport kit and only 12000 miles. I actually drove this one and yes I did return it with a little less rubber on the rears. I was trying to get my inlaws to trade in their pos Jag s-type on it. They decided to go with a 2004 v8 LS for a little more.

The problems with the one above was the front and rear bumpers were scratched and a small dent on rear quarter. It was literally owned by a old guy and locally sold and serviced. I think they were asking $14xxx.00. It had been sitting on their lot for a while.

BTW have you checked about bringing a car back into Canada. It used to be a real bear a while ago. Good luck.

Posted by: Pining4Parchment

Yea, I did all the research and talked to both sides of the border crossing. I would jump through alot of hoops for my Linclon, but it looks like I'll have to wait a few years to be in the club. Hope you guys don't mind if I stick around and ask a few questions here and there while I wait.
HC is the paint code? Is that Lincoln's identifier for that specific paint type, and is it located on the car somewhere I could have a dealer confirm when I'm shopping? That's not in the VIN# anywhere is it?

-Jealous

Posted by: Motts

Posted by: 01lssport

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pining4Parchment

Yea, I did all the research and talked to both sides of the border crossing. I would jump through alot of hoops for my Linclon, but it looks like I'll have to wait a few years to be in the club. Hope you guys don't mind if I stick around and ask a few questions here and there while I wait.
HC is the paint code? Is that Lincoln's identifier for that specific paint type, and is it located on the car somewhere I could have a dealer confirm when I'm shopping? That's not in the VIN# anywhere is it?

-Jealous

Yes, it is fords paint code. My car is painted this color.
The paint code is located on the driver side door jam sticker. You have to open the driver side door to see it, by the front fender.

Posted by: Pining4Parchment

Just in case you are curious, the eBay item# was 4562683542. Y'all have a look and tell me how nice it was, now that the plane ticket is canceled. His reserve price was $13'000 plus a $300 administration fee. A Day after the auction end and exchanges of pleasantries he was down to $12'200. I would be heading to Florida if it weren't for all of your good advice today. (So I'm greatful, and I'm not, if you get my drift) I really appreciate all of the help and I look foreward to picking your brains for the next while.
-Dan
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Posted by: Akkord29

Im guessing your in Hollywood, CA and not Hollywood, FL. If you see a car in the Tampa area I could check it out for you. I used to live hear Hollywood and occasionally head down there. Let us know if you need more help looking.

Posted by: lsbit

It is a nice looking car. Looks just like the one my wife took from me. Yes...we are still married.

I paid $12,900 for it about 9 months or so ago and it had about 67k on it, I believe. The car was near perfect in shape but I did have to do the valve cover job (which led me to doing the tech page on it).

You can find one just like it again. That was no real SPECIAL deal, but I wouldn't say it was a bad deal either.

It was wise not to rush into it. I did a Buy It NOW on my LS sport. I will never buy a car site unseen again. I am too picky. It took me several months to get everything right on that LS. I am glad I have it now though.

Posted by: captainalias

I think I might still have some time left on my unlimited carfax account (it was good for 1 month). You're more than welcome to send some VINs my way and I can send you the carfaxes.

Posted by: Dutch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pining4Parchment

I have a 2000 and I can start in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gear.

Posted by: Pining4Parchment

Thanks captain, very generous. I'm going to take a break looking for now. How much does the unlimited car fax cost?

Ref: Hollywood.. I'm actually Canadian. Whenever I sign up for something that asks me to input a zip code I just use the only one I know. 90210. Was a big fan... *gag*. But I will fly to Florida to scoop an Ivory 2002 at the right price!

Posted by: captainalias

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pining4Parchment

Thanks captain, very generous. I'm going to take a break looking for now. How much does the unlimited car fax cost?

Ref: Hollywood.. I'm actually Canadian. Whenever I sign up for something that asks me to input a zip code I just use the only one I know. 90210. Was a big fan... *gag*. But I will fly to Florida to scoop an Ivory 2002 at the right price!

A good deal, just $20-something. Feel free to send your requests. But note that carfax doesn't record accidents which the police weren't contacted or for accidents < $3000.

Posted by: apt310

i bought my 2000 in july of 2004 it had 28900 miles and i paid 17000 out the door. i do love the car.

Posted by: JohnBoyToo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pining4Parchment

... But I will fly to Florida to scoop an Ivory 2002 at the right price!

How about to Dallas ?

My daughter will consider selling her well maintained 2002 Ivory Parchment to a good home

$19,000 (less than she owes)
60,500 miles
2002 Lincoln LS V8 Auto Sport
Bright Chrome Lincoln wheels
6 disc in dash cd changer
etc.. etc..

Even the Borla Dual Exhaust that retails for about $800...
new tires, brakes, etc... - she is meticulous about her car...

Ford Extended Warranty - Premium Plan
I think it's the 100,000 mile one.

All in all, the car is in great condition, it's just her pocket book that needs fine tuning.

Posted by: Pining4Parchment

Your daughter definatly has my ideal car, and lives in an ideal climate. Any chance she'd put it in storage for 2 years until it depreciated down to the $12'000 range. I thought not. I'd love to see photos of it tho. I need a new screen saver. Thanks anyway.
-Dan

Posted by: captainalias

Well Parchment, my carfax account just ran out, but I still have a 60 day account with experian auto check, which is a similar service to carfax. Let me know if you need a carfax; it's just a waste if no one uses it!

Posted by: Hawk03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pining4Parchment

Your daughter definatly has my ideal car, and lives in an ideal climate. Any chance she'd put it in storage for 2 years until it depreciated down to the $12'000 range. I thought not. I'd love to see photos of it tho. I need a new screen saver. Thanks anyway.
-Dan

Here are some pics of my Ivory Parchment Metalic LS. Not sure if these will work for you but I thought I would share them with you. The one with the hood up is when I had my cylinder head replaced. Enjoy!