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1999 Taurus with lincoln continental D.O.C.H. 4.6

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Posted by: JC1994

I seen a really cool 99 Taurus with a D.O.H.C. 4.6 out of a Lincoln Continental tonight. I pulled up next to it and noticed V8 emblems on the side of the fenders. I was like ok it's a SHO. Wrong! when he went by I recognized the sound of the D.O.H.C. 4.6 and those continental oval tail pipes, So at the next light after making sure it wasn't a SHO, we pulled over and talked. this car was immaculate! dark metallic green,super clean interior. I have heard of this being done,but this is the first one I have seen up close. I have a 96 and a 99 Taurus, I just may consider this swap for one of mine!! yeah I know it's not a Mark VIII but I would sure as hell own it! Awesome car!!

Posted by: evillally

Yep. The swap ain't too hard, either. There's a guy in Methuen with the same setup in a 2003 Sable. You can get a Conti DOHC on ebay DIRT cheap. Right now, there are two listed under $300. Be sure to get 2000+ engine. The C heads have better low-end punch for the streets...

Posted by: JC1994

yeah thanks for the info! I am gonna head on over to ebay right now for a few and check them out.

4:20

Posted by: JC1994

couldn't find the engines for 300.00 dollars. found a 2000 with 27,000 miles for 1350.00.

Posted by: evillally

Here's one, but not the tumble port heads:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW

Posted by: Dern Humpus

So the car remains FWD and uses the stock tranny?

Posted by: lincolnboy

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Originally Posted by Dern Humpus

So the car remains FWD and uses the stock tranny?

YUP.. its a shame that the conti's motor is side ways.........p.s.

Posted by: NYC LS8

This thread's worthless without pics

Posted by: lincolnboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC LSC

This thread's worthless without pics

BORING SUPBJECT....maybe if they made the tarus a rwd w/ the mk8 motor then talk bout it..kinda like there doing w/ the focus and a dohc....sawps!!!!!!

Posted by: JC1994

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincolnboy

BORING SUPBJECT....maybe if they made the tarus a rwd w/ the mk8 motor then talk bout it..kinda like there doing w/ the focus and a dohc....sawps!!!!!!

Might be boring to you,but this is the kind of swap that is very cool. Besides if you don't like this thread go find another one. also try spell check, It's obvious you didn't win any spelling contests.

Posted by: 67Continental

yeah this thread rocks, i had no idea people were doing this swap......

Posted by: Moes8

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67Continental

yeah this thread rocks, i had no idea people were doing this swap......

Posted by: BlackMark8Li

am I wrong in thinking the conti had a SOHC and not a DOHC?

Posted by: JC1994

yes they had D.O.H.C. 4.6 in them.

Posted by: JohnnyB

Quote:

am I wrong in thinking the conti had a SOHC and not a DOHC?

Yes, the Contis have a DOHC 4.6L V-8. Too bad they're wrong wheel drive.

EDIT: Dang it. JC1994 beat me to it.

Posted by: JC1994

Will the continental engine bolt up to the tranny already in the taurus or do you need the tranny out of the Continental? I forgot to ask the guy,I figured he must have used the continental tranny. but I don't know.

Posted by: Moes8

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC1994

Will the continental engine bolt up to the tranny already in the taurus or do you need the tranny out of the Continental? I forgot to ask the guy,I figured he must have used the continental tranny. but I don't know.

i dont know if its a direct bolt up,but both cars use the ax4n transaxle.unless the taurus has the base pushrod motor ,then it most likely,but not always,uses the ax4s trans,as far as i know the 3.0L DOHC uses the ax4n only.

mike

Posted by: evillally

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC1994

Yes- they share the same AX4N transaxle. You may need a different bellhousing, but the Conti engine already has some sort of different bellhousing, which makes it useless in RWD applications. So it may be there, and it may not be there...

Posted by: JC1994

Both of my Taurus's have the 3.0 litre OHV Vulcan engines, will the continental engine work with the transaxle that is in these cars? or will I need a continental transaxle?

Posted by: JC1994

I'm seriously considering this swap.

Posted by: Moes8

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC1994

I'm seriously considering this swap.

i would really like to see if this swap is possible,we need pictures of that guys car.

i think it would be very unique packing 4.6 into the taurus.

hmmm,wonder if the wife would realize she gained 100hp the first time she hit the gas pedal getting on the turnpike for work.haahhaaha

i want more info from that guy

i think you would be best to take the trans from the conti,
the ax4s is considered a little on the weak side,i would even think that the ax4n in the conti is slightly built op from whats in the 200hp taurus dohc.

Mike

Posted by: NYC LS8

Damn...I got all excited seeing the attachment icon thinking there weer pictures in here and they turned out to be smilies. Dammit

Posted by: bigdog1279

dose any one know if i can take my 95 continental and put a engine from a 2000+ continental when it,s time to change the motors whem the life of mine is up

Posted by: bigdog1279

also my mom drive a tuarus it,s a 2004 with a 24v DOHC is this saposed to be the best engine that came in that year and modle
what the horse power in that car dose any one know

Posted by: evillally

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog1279

also my mom drive a tuarus it,s a 2004 with a 24v DOHC is this saposed to be the best engine that came in that year and modle
what the horse power in that car dose any one know

201HP @ 5650rpms, and 200lb-ft @ 4400rpms.

Posted by: purelux

You are definatly going to want that taurus tranny if it bolts up upgraded to take the extra power. All atx sho's had problems with it holding up if driven "sporty" I know on the 2nd gen v6's the 94-95 last 2 years of it before the 8 had a better computer tune which if put into early 2nd gens helped it last longer. Not sure on the 8's only problems I heard of on the yam 8's were to do with the cams. I would definatly get a performance tune that at least changes shifting and run synthetic fluid and maybe an additional tranny cooler. The sho's had a beefed up tranny vs the normal 3.8's and it had trouble. Now granted this is the 3rd gen taurus but i Doubt the beefed it up to hold nearly 100 more hp & tq than its engines supplied stock. I would love to see one of the new sables in a sho setup but I definatly want a tranny that can take the power.

Posted by: JC1994

Quote:

Originally Posted by evillally

Here's one, but not the tumble port heads:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW

went to Wichita falls texas sunday,7-24 and bought the engine for 265.00 dollars.it's out of a 95 continental with70,000 miles,I will be keeping everyone posted as the swap of this dohc 4.6 into my 1996 Taurus becomes a reality!!

Posted by: evillally

Rock n' f'n roll!

Posted by: Moes8

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC1994

awesome!!!,post pics if you can.

i have some buds who dont think its possible,i wanna see it done.

git r done.

mike

Posted by: JC1994

Here are a few pics of the engine. And also some pics of it's future home in the Taurus,those are the first pic and last 2 pics.

Posted by: 98LSC32V

Nice pics. Good luck with the swap, that is a great deal you got on that motor.

Posted by: Moes8

ok,awesome,my first question is,will it fit?

seeing the pics and thinking of the look on someones face when they hear that taurus rev,then see it take off,it only weighs 33xx lbs.
makes me wanna mess myself.

cant wait and good luck.

mike

Posted by: mark0101

That is going to be one fast car. I can't wait till it is finished

Posted by: JC1994

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moes8

ok,awesome,my first question is,will it fit?

seeing the pics and thinking of the look on someones face when they hear that taurus rev,then see it take off,it only weighs 33xx lbs.
makes me wanna mess myself.

cant wait and good luck.

mike

Yes it will fit, And I can't wait to see the look on the fart pipe ricer jockeys face

when they hear this thing! I am going with the most aggresive exhaust sound I can find, and I think Geno's exhaust is the best. I want it to sound BAD ASS!

Posted by: Scott Adams

Besides the Roush GT-40 preped '89 MK VII LSC 5 speed (my baby), my daily driver is a '98 SHO. This discussion has got me really interested. If that Conti motor bolts right in with stock ECM, I'd love to do it...the old Yamaha needs a tune-up anyway.

Posted by: CobraConti

Factor in the price of a new tranny too. You guys are forgeting the AX4N that it's bolted up to. That tranny WILL take a crap on you.........its a ticking time bomb. Mine went out at 53K and the tech said you could have changed the fluid every week and it wouldn't have mattered. It is a very bad design.......and no, an aftermarket tranny cooler, yada yada etc would have made no difference. Yes, that will keep the temps down but this is a design flaw and nothing sans rebuild with drilled valve body, bigger lines, etc will save it. It has been slowly improved over the years but its still a failure from Ford just like the V8 SHO cam fasico. Its a matter of when.......not if. With all that said, i hope it will turn out good for you.

Posted by: CobraConti

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Adams

Besides the Roush GT-40 preped '89 MK VII LSC 5 speed (my baby), my daily driver is a '98 SHO. This discussion has got me really interested. If that Conti motor bolts right in with stock ECM, I'd love to do it...the old Yamaha needs a tune-up anyway.

have you fixed the cams in your SHO?

Posted by: JC1994

Quote:

Originally Posted by CobraConti

Factor in the price of a new tranny too. You guys are forgeting the AX4N that it's bolted up to. That tranny WILL take a crap on you.........its a ticking time bomb. Mine went out at 53K and the tech said you could have changed the fluid every week and it wouldn't have mattered. It is a very bad design.......and no, an aftermarket tranny cooler, yada yada etc would have made no difference. Yes, that will keep the temps down but this is a design flaw and nothing sans rebuild with drilled valve body, bigger lines, etc will save it. It has been slowly improved over the years but its still a failure from Ford just like the V8 SHO cam fasico. Its a matter of when.......not if. With all that said, i hope it will turn out good for you.

who gives a crap about tranny failures? my 1983 425 hp mustang still has the stock t-5 tranny it came with it has about 120,000 miles on it. these t-5's were supposed to be the weakest of all t-5's. it's got a zoom kevlar clutch and a hurst shifter otherwise it's stock.It's all in the way you drive. doing full throttle burnouts in the taurus all the time, no transaxle will take that kind of abuse anyway,not with that much power. still won't stop me from having one. I have a friend who put a T-bird Super Coupe super charged V-6 in a 1984 Pontiac 2M4 Fiero made an adapter and bolted it up to the stock Fiero transaxle.this car had a higher boost s/c pulley,and custom made headers and exhaust. his car was a rocket!! high 10's low 11's and it held up along time before the transaxle broke.

Posted by: dnehthend

cant wait to see the finished product

Posted by: JC1994

Quote:

Originally Posted by CobraConti

what happens is anti freeze gets into the tranny from the tranny fluid cooler in the radiator

Posted by: CobraConti

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC1994

alright, just letting you know.

Posted by: JC1994

yeah thanks, I just refuse to let tranny woes scare me. if it breaks it breaks.when I get my mind set on doing something I get very focused and determined. as long as I don't get to crazy it should last a while,it was rebuilt about 40,000 miles ago,

Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC1994

Both of my Taurus's have the 3.0 litre OHV Vulcan engines, will the continental engine work with the transaxle that is in these cars? or will I need a continental transaxle?

Get a tranny that came from this engine. Two things...the calibration will be WAY different on the V6 trans and you will have issues. Next, the tranny behind the 3.0 is junk. Ford has had huge issues with them over the years. The 3.8 uses a stronger trans and hasn't had anywhere near the problems. Still, you will have calibration problems if you don't use one from behind a 4.6 32V.

Posted by: Sagabu

I`m an SHO driver and this thread made it over to v8sho.com .
I`m sure a few will keep an eye on this one .
A few concerns that come to mind are the wide 90o V-8 squeezing in w/out firewall/radiator support mods and the tuning .
A popular SHO/Ford vendor in GA. may be able to work out the tune ???
This guy is good and well respected in the SHO world . http://fordspecialists.com/index.htm
I have not even concidered that the 4.6 would fit , but hey if it has been done , it can be done again .
I`m off to the boneyard today and will pull some measurments from under and over a Lincoln . I just called and they have a few there w/drive trains intact .
It would be nice if the whole unit on subframe would bolt in ???
I`ll admit knowing nothing about the Lincolns , but I`m aboot to go on a crash course ..............
Check out my SHO at http://megafilehosting.com/theebayking/shopainteddone/

Posted by: klutch

The 4.6L should fit in a taurus pretty easily because it comes standard in the continental which is similar to the taurus chassis

Posted by: Bob Gervais

Posted on the V8SHO.com mailing list, by member Scott Kreitemeyer:

"I just measured my neighbors Conti with the Intec 4.6

Strut towers are the same distance apart (~35") (this is no suprise)
Firewall to cooling fans (34")... BOTH CARS ARE THE SAME THIS DID SUPRISE ME!

Behind the SHO V8 there is plenty of space, behind the Intec it is MUCH tighter.

Differences.. Almost all of it is in the cowl... Someone may want to put a Continental cowl in the Tortoise to make this happen as our cowl comes forward quite a a bit. If you think our engine compartment is tight then you need to work on one of these Lincolns. I wouldn't be one bit suprised if the Lincoln Subframe and complete driveline bolt into the chassis...."

If the subframe mounts in the same position in the Lincoln as it does in the Taurus, it seems the easiest way to go would be to drop the old Taurus subframe, drivetrain, wheels and all, and bolt up the Lincoln unit. Of course, that sounds way too easy, and I'm guessing there would be some sort of fabrication involved. Personally, I think it would cost less, and be less of a hassle, to buy a rear end totalled Conti with a good drivetrain to use for a donor car. That way, you'd have the wiring harnesses, PCM, and correct transmission.

Speaking of transmissions, even if the AX4S does bolt up (and I think it will), it isn't going to last long. From what I understand, the Conti 4N is beefier than the V8SHO 4N, which is light years ahead of the 4S.

As someone mentioned, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when it will go. Someone else mentioned www.fordspecialists.com. Doug Lewis, owner of the business, is very well versed in PCM reprogramming, and has done a lot of tuning with the SCT stuff. He's also a good source for transmission rebuilding, and a Ford/Lincoln certified tech. To say the least, he's on the ball about everything he does.

A link to this thread was posted over on www.tauruscarclub.com, of which I'm the President. Some of our members are having a hard time believing the story about the '03 Sable with the 4.6, because of the sheer size of the engine. I was at first, too, until the above dimensions were posted.

Without a doubt, I'm VERY interested in this project, and can't wait to see it finished!

Regards,

Bob

Posted by: JC1994

Well all I have heard is how this won't work.I did all the measuring myself. I think the whole front subframe from the lincoln continental will bolt under the Taurus. I love it when people tell me it can't be done,makes me just that much more determined!

Posted by: Moes8

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC1994

Well all I have heard is how this won't work.I did all the measuring myself. I think the whole front subframe from the lincoln continental will bolt under the Taurus. I love it when people tell me it can't be done,makes me just that much more determined!

awesome,,
prove em all wrong, i cant wait.

mike

Posted by: JC1994

LATEST UPDATE....... Well I just bought the first part for my swap!!! supercharger? turbo? nitrous? well that is the next thing!! YEP you guessed it a rear spoiler!!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!! hey man priorities must come first! as far as body mods thats all I'm doing. this ones gonna look stock! and yes it's a stock one. no ricer sh!t on my cars!! drove to Indianapolis friday to go see ozz fest came back monday. 1480 miles round trip, got 22.9 mpg in the Mark VIII.A/C on the whole way, driving about 75-85 mph. no problems at all!! you can't get any premium any higher than 91 here at home,but once I got east of here,in missouri I could get amoco 93 octane.MAN!! that really made a big improvement in power. these cars stock run the best with 93 octane. also added lucas full sythetic oil stabilizer 1 quart of it to 5 quarts of 10W30 mobil one synthetic,I don't run 5W30 in my cars its just to thin for all the hot 90-100 degree days around here. also tried some of the fuel system additive too,and the tranny additive excellent stuff!! all of their stuff is superior to any other stuff out there. BG make good stuff too but it can be hard to find. they sell it around here, but it's pricey stuff and doesn't work any better..

Posted by: MonsterMark

I think this swap is cool and all that but why not just buy a Continental. They are dirt cheap and the '95 and up are the real deal. Lots of grandmas and grandpas driving the car only to church and the store. It is a sleeper and a steal at the same time for a 4 door car.

I would like to see a photochop of one sometime.

Posted by: Moes8

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I think this swap is cool and all that but why not just buy a Continental. They are dirt cheap and the '95 and up are the real deal. Lots of grandmas and grandpas driving the car only to church and the store. It is a sleeper and a steal at the same time for a 4 door car.

I would like to see a photochop of one sometime.

my guess would be
1:its a project involving cars,anyone can buy a conti,only the special people can build a conti powered Taurus.

2:this car will be considerably lighter than a conti,and probably get darn good gas mileage to boot.

3:do you have a 4.6 taurus?do i? does anybody you know?

didnt think so.thats why he want to do it,and why i would like to too.

4: now he has an excuse to work on a car and get dirty and manly, rrrr
rrrr
rrrr

mike

Posted by: 94m5

Hope this works for you. I had everyone telling me my T45 swap would'nt work the way I did it. Show em'.

Mike

Posted by: JC1994

I just think a taurus with a 4.6 is just totally F'kin cool !!! I was told I could not put a 87-88 T-Bird turbo coupe suspension under my 83 GT Mustang. and the guy that told me it could not be done is the Ford MotorSport partsman at Rusty Eck Ford!!! I went back up there about a week later and the guy didn't even want to come look at it!!! said he was too busy, and didn't need some "NO NAME" gear head to prove anything to him!! I also told him I could whip his ass too! no takers on that, but all the other guys thought it was cool!! WIDE TRACK Mustang!! and I think the taurus is a better looking car than any continentals they look like some 80 year old's car!

Posted by: klutch

Good luck maybe I will see your 4.6L powered taurus around town

Posted by: 98LSC32V

I would not use 10w-30 in these cars even in 100 degree weather. I would switch back to 5w-30 Mobil 1.

Posted by: JC1994

you use what you want to use, it's 10w30 for me. 5w30 is like water on a 100 degree day. besides 10w30 is all I ever have used in this climate. I would suggest you refer to your owners manual about oil viscosity in hotter climates.I have never had a oil related engine failure in 25 years.

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

Conti's are gay and they are not sleepers. a ford taurus that should run low 14s is, how much do the taurus weigh my lincoln weighs 3600 to 3550 pounds so I assume the taurus is light as hell

Posted by: Moes8

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkOfDeath

Conti's are gay and they are not sleepers. a ford taurus that should run low 14s is, how much do the taurus weigh my lincoln weighs 3600 to 3550 pounds so I assume the taurus is light as hell

yhe reported weight of a mark viii are 3753lbs and a conti 3945lbs.

a tauri is ~3290lbs

mike

Posted by: JC1994

well the spoiler for the taurus ended up on the Mark VIII, [see thread] i'm off to look for a tranny tomorrow for the 4.6 conti motor. ordered another spoiler for the taurus.only $ 94.00.